I don't see how Brexiters can claim the 'positive' and any comments of remainers thus be called 'negative' ? When the financial cost of Brexit for the UK will be counted for the next decade or more.......... The fact is the ordinary working person will see no gain from Brexit. Also, the fact that Frenchie now lives in France makes little difference to the currency of his views.
This situation is not just in the NHS. Many of the lower levels of staff in my business feel the need to work longer (and unpaid) hours to get the job done. There are many reasons for this, but one leaps out and is common across most British organisations; poor management, and that is not a thing that can be resolved quickly. Most people attain managerial positions by default and are not prepared or trained for the role.
Prison crisis this morning http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40798604 When will Govt realise you don't get good public services on the cheap?
The French have been ripping the English off for many years but the real culprits are the expats who are desperate for any income so they can financially survive. Many expats decided to move abroad without proper resources to sustain their lifestyle, they leave their brains at Dover. Many young French have to move to the UK to find employment given the high French unemployment rates, particularly amongst the young. There are very very few places in the UK that have not had price rises in 10 years, no wonder you wanted to move from there! The only region not enjoying a rise in value is the North East. London and South East properties have more than doubled in value.
I never said that, what i said or meant was all his comments are negative against the UK, which tends to be a typical remoaner trait. There are positives as well as negatives on both sides, sadly some people will never admit that, they would rather slag of our country from abroad...then they wonder why there voice falls on death ears. And it makes me laugh when you see the NHS dragged up into the debate, that's been facing it's problems well before Brexit, it just seems any news now, lets blame it on one word...BREXIT. It's like a load of remoaners spitting their dummies out because they lost a vote. As i said, if you can't be patriotic, if you don't like it....do as the ex pats have done, get the next boat out of our country, because we will pull this country back up on it's feet without the negative people. And if it takes a decade, I'd rather spend a decade of my life making this country great again then being owned by an EU administration with people such as a filthy, greedy, disgusting, vile sickening killer Blair the war criminal as it's mouth piece. God people slagged off Farage, I'm surprised Blair ain't been assassinated by now. I said in an earlier lengthy post and one that could not be missed, but got completely and purposely overlooked by OFH that 'I see the EU flag like a Swastika' - and one Blair should have stamped on his forehead, like the inglorious bastard he is.
It is difficult to answer every single point brb that you choose to make. I doubt that many people who voted to leave would have the same extreme view of a flag that seems to be a bugbear with you. Maybe you can tell me how Brexit is going to improve the NHS in a positive way. Here is your chance to make the case. Consider staff, medicines, radio therapy etc then just set the case out. I will listen.
Jeez are you actually reading anything or just picking out the bug bears...I've already said the NHS had a problem long before Brexit and under many consecutive governments for DECADES! What you expecting Brexit to fix this after years of neglect? There is many a nurse and doctor that left the NHS long before Brexit, due to their long hours, over worked, under great stress and under paid, hence why i avoided the subject, because i was not in this to point score.....whereas you seem to be. Again you choose to nick pick points that suit your negative goal....i gave a long response to you, you completely ignored it....you throw out the usual goal of flag waving. Am i an extremist, yes i am. It's called being patriotic and loyal to your country.
The post that was ignored; I have no problem in being part of Europe, I just have no desire to be governed by it in any way shape or form. I wish every country to proudly keep and display it's own national identity, I see the EU flag no different to that of a Swastiki, if i go to Italy, France, Germany or any other country then as a guest, I expect to support myself and respect it's culture and language. If i were to live in any of those countries, I would expect to adapt my behaviour according to the custom and learn the language. I do not expect one EU body or any other country to dictate the laws or policies (within freedom of expression and human rights) of another country, I am nationalist, I believe in true individual identity, I do not wish to see a United States of Europe. I believe the EU will erode everything i believe in, I have no problem with immigration within justified reasons, sanctuary or bringing something of benefit to our/or another country, not visa versa. If anyone does not believe in being patriotic, then we have an open door policy to leave. I believe whether win,lose or draw, a democratic vote is a vote set in stone. All politicians lie, they always have done and always will do, if you feel your vote was mislead, then you should have done better research, trust no one other than your own judgement and be consistent. There were many youngsters who did not get off their arses to vote, there is a life lesson, that will live with them for life, but never will there be a second vote, simply because it would cause civil unrest and undermine democracy. Would I be prepared to get arrested to protect my democratic right, damn sure i would.
No, you choose to miss the point completely. I see problems that can only make matters worse than they are at present. You tell me that I am being pessimistic. Therefore you must have a viewpoint on how Brexit will make matters better. All I asked you to do was set out those points.
No ****er is going to improve the NHS after I repeat, decades of neglect....pre or post Brexit...it's ****ed is that clear enough for yer, so why are you blaming Brexit....i ask you again? I've never ever said Brexit is going to make it better, likewise i never said it would make it worse.
The UK chose to leave the EU for many reasons, most had nothing to do with the NHS. It was however right for the leave campaign to highlight the amount of cash we donate to the EU coffers, it was also correct to suggest some of this saving could be directed to improve the NHS amongst other good causes. As far as I know nobody is suggesting stopping the use of foreign labour for essential services. The UK should have the right to limit the present unacceptably high level of economic migrants from EU countries which are failing their own citizens by lack of employment opportunities in their respective countries The leaders of France and Sweden have belatedly called for the same reasonable controls in the past few days, duh!!
I think the reason why nobody replied to this is because it borders on the pathetic and was not worth replying to - any comparison with the Swastika borders on pananoia. Anybody can come and go from the EU. - did Britain have to ask for permission to have a referendum, in the way that Scotland, apparently, does. The EU. is not a separate alien authority - Britain has had just as much of a chance to mould the present EU. as any other country - in fact 90% of the EU laws were voted for by Britain (that is a higher percentage than for any other country) - so Britain has played a part in making the EU. what it is today. Your earlier reference to 'That German bitch' is also very revealing. The reality is that Germany has the voting rights proportionate to a country with 80 million people ie. they could be outvoted by any combination of 2 other countries - but no, you would prefer to pander to the commonly held belief that Germany is dominating the agenda for its own purposes - my suspicion has always been that Brexit was partly fuelled by anti German sentiment, and you have confirmed that. Neither myself nor Frenchie have to justify our locations - we left for very different reasons which are personal and are not subject to your judgement in any way whatsoever. We are both just as British as you are and are very much affected by everything which Britain does, we both have family still in the UK. and have as much right to criticize as you have.
Sorry did I ask you to speak for OFH no!....my reply was aimed at him not you. Pathetic and Paranoia words you use, well just **** off then, we don't need people sitting in other people's backyard telling us how to think or vote.
As it happens Germany had nothing to do with my vote. As for Scotland, I've openly said on this forum countless times I wish them Independence.
Nothing to do with the NHS...nothing to do with Germany....nothing to do with Farage...nothing to do with promises...nothing to do with migration.... Get it!
1) This is an open forum .. .so we all can contribute 2) Please don't use insulting language. We have struggled here in the past and lost members due to insults etc 3) I for one welcome your input. How will we really benefit from Brexit? NHS is central to the BREXIT discussion and it was the Brexiters who made politic about it. Sadly the NHS which use to be a flagship in the world has been underfunded for far too long.. .and it is nothing about management really. I am sure we all have personal stories. (My latest is a three month wait to see a podiatrist who saw me for 8 minutes, offered no treatment and cave me a shoe catalogue from a private company and said she could no longer supply foot protectors, bandages etc as there was no longer any budget. When I asked about a further appointment she said she would ring me up in 2 months to see how I was.) With resources and clear vision we could have half decent health service again.
Sorry....if it was none of those things then maybe you would like to calmly explain why you did vote for Brexit - then we will have the basis for a debate. You claimed that the EU. flag was like the Swastika - I would like to know how you have come to such a conclusion.
Hang on a minute, I had an opinion in a post, that a certain poster decided to refer it as paranoia and call me pathetic. So put your own in check and then I will not respond accordingly. I was having a perfectly good discussion with OFH, before the other user chipped in with his insults. As for the NHS...I have made absolutely no response it as being a brexit discussion from my point of view.
