I think Caravaggio has a great chance today. I thought he missed the kick at Ascot abit more than they would have liked having reared at the stalls. They should go a decent pace again with Harry's Angel and Intelligence Cross taking each other on. He should have enough to beat Harry's Angel again and the remainder aren't world beaters either. The price doesn't really appeal to me so I'll just watch.
Limato at 5/1 looks to be the each way bet on the July Stakes. I'm very keen. Track, trip, ground all perfect. You can't say that for any of the other main contenders. He'll love the speed from Harry Angel and I think it will all come together to prove to be very hard for Carravagio to pull back.
I backed Jon Rahm 20/1 after watching him closely this season, looks the next golfing superstar at 22.Has a great chance and would be dissapointed if he didn't make top five in the open.
Timeform Ratings for the Darley July Cup I'm not yet convinced that Caravaggio is better than Harry Angel. When they met at Ascot the time was slow by 1.09s. When Harry Angel won at Haydock it was run at a blistering pace and he clocked fast by 1.94s and his earlier attempt at 6f at Ascot he clocked fast by 1.35s when beaten 1½l by Blue Point. Using the 6l per second on gf going, that would have made Harry Angel's time fast by 1.10secs. It seems fair to say that comparing the 2 Ascot races Harry Angel ran a good 2 secs slower when beaten by Caravaggio. If the race is run at a blistering pace to produce a time of at least 1 sec fast it would seem to me that Caravaggio has a lot of improvement to make to beat Harry Angel. The Tin Man on similar going at Ascot clocked fast by 0.38s. That would indicate to me that Harry Angel has the speed to win this. On the other hand, theoretically, The Tin Man would have won the race that Harry Angel and Caravaggio contested. In The Tin Man and Limato we have two very strong finishers. If Brando has recovered from his burst blood vessel, expect him to be coming late as well. This a very intriguing race. Suffice to say it will be decided by the pace they go and the men on top will be responsible for that. Can't wait
Defo should be there or there about come Sunday mate. He 14/1 on Skybet mate. He may even be shorter before Thursday. Good luck Ste. I'm gunna have a good look over the weekend
I saw Limato on Arc day 2015 when he was beaten by Make Believe. He ran so wide and lost so much ground on the bend he had absolutely no chance, and then incredibly flew up the straight to finish second. That was 7f as a 3yo. I think the best chance he has of winning over 6f is on a stiff track so the uphill finish at Newmarket should be to his advantage. Of course, he won this race last year clocking fast by 0.43s. It is going to be very close and I think Caravaggio is going to hard pressed to beat a few of these. His price is far too short and a tempting lay.
got my wires crossed with another one I liked on another Arc day (Elusive Kate). I'll have to edit my post. Cheers Chan PS also HE was 3 at the time
Good effort Gazboy. The misses and the little man have gone out to watch the latest in the Cars franchise so I've got the run of the place. Lovely
Totally unoriginal as it is I fully expect CARAVAGGIO to show what a top sprinter he is and prove that he is certainly not just 'all hype'! I put a few quid on him last week at 6/4 and last night Skybet were 4/1 for him to win by one length or more which I also backed. That bet's now into 11/4 but that's still fair enough as some firms are as stingy as 6/4 for it Good race, it's between the two 3 year olds for me. How good was CLEMMIE yesterday? Very, very taken by her, Moore said she's their best filly seen 'yet', sounds like they could have something else to come out! Between Clemmie and September he already looks to have two Classic fillies on his hands...
Caravaggio is the biggest 11/10 certainty since New Approach in the Champion Stakes. Only started odds against once in his career. Tabor says he is up there with Mozart and Stravinsky. This is a historic sprinter running against mugs.
We'll see Joe. They aren't mugs. Quite a few of these have run faster than Caravaggio ever has. So he will have to run faster than he has ever run to win this. I will be disappointed if it isn't a fast race but if it is and Caravaggio wins then full credit to him. Using the clock, he still has it to prove.
Overall times are irrelevant in Europe Ron, stateside you are looking for. The only horse to ever clock 45mph in Ballydoyle, I wouldnt be worried about a lack of speed.
Won it really nicely. Huge scopey sort as well so can only see improvement to come, one worth following id say
Caravaggio looks a champion. He might very well be brilliant. However, you can only base 11/10 or 6/4 or whatever price you've taken under 3/1 on the words from ownership and trainer. Caravaggio has only ever beaten 2 Group One Winners - Roly Pole (won it this week) and Thunder Snow (Prat last weekend). Both mile races. I've been impressed by everything Caravaggio has done but he's not beaten a group one sprinter yet. 11/10 is the wrong price. We don't have a clue whether he'll like the track. We don't know for sure he's a group one sprinter beating group one sprinters in waiting in the Commonwealth Cup. Way too many question marks. I completely agree the older horses aren't particularly great but we do know they can win group one's, in this company, when they get their conditions so for those reasons i'd side with an each way bet on Limato with the expectation that he'll enjoy conditions and track and can beat these older animals here. If the three year olds are great then he can still nick a place.
I wouldn't say totally irrelevant Joe. If Caravaggio had run in The Tin Man's race, he would have had to run a good 2 secs faster than he did in his race (same course, distance and going) to have won that race. Not saying he couldn't have but it is pure speculation to say he could have. Not my idea of the biggest 11/10 certainty since New Approach (although I don't know what other 11/10 certainties we are comparing against). Don't get me wrong; I'll be pleased if he streaks home as it will confirm we have a true superstar sprinter. This is one of the most intriguing races I've anticipated for some time.
They can win Group 1s when Suedois and Karar are finishing second. Librisa Breeze was 1 1/2L behind these older horses at Ascot, I dont care what the time was. Harry Angel is a better sprinter than any of these older horses who have only won races because Muhaarar, the top sprinter of that generation by a mile, was retired to stud after dominating the divison. I dont think this is going to be Harry Angels track but I wont be surprised if he still finishes second.
