Has any big/serious signing been made by anyone yet? I've been watching the cricket and the rugby......
OK so... Scenario A - Monaco want to retain Lemar more badly than they did for Silva (hence the ease of movement in that transfer) . Scenario B - City paid what Monaco wanted and signed Silva straight away. Arsenal are not offering what Monaco want for Lemar because they're trying to 'negotiate a deal' (ie. be cheap) I know which I think is more likely given our transfer record over the last decade.
Its a weird sitautui To be fair - Before Chelsea/City changed the landscape this used to be the correct way to do things. You make an offer they - refuse, you up your offer.. eventually a price and fee is agreed. City/Chelsea etc.. just started paying the asking price and now the negotiation period with buying players highly sort after players has just disappeared. Either you pay what the asking price is or you don't get what you want. Lyon want £56 million for Lacazette and we apparently offer £47 million.
I'm a Leicester fan (can't remember how I changed my username) and I'm not on a wind up or anything but there does appear to be a pattern with Wenger's bidding. He seems to put in derisory offers for top players to say he bid for them knowing full well they'd be rejected. He also seems to like younger players he can get cheap and is still living in the late 90's early 00's when it was possible to pick up quality players like that and now you are getting left behind. I don't really understand why Arsenal don't spend big like the other clubs because along with City, us and now Everton, you have no debt meaning you could afford it if you had the ambition. That would frustrate me immensely. I suppose the reason for this post is to gauge your thoughts on signing Mahrez now Lemar looks to have fallen through? My personal opinion is Wenger might put a bid in for him but it won't be anywhere close to our £50m valuation. I see a bid of around £30m with the thinking that he wants to leave so we'll sell him cheap so we don't have an unhappy player but our owners won't be bullied by anyone and won't let him go cheap, no deal will be done and he'll have an awkward return to pre-season training with his team-mates and a large section of fans wanting him gone and Gray in the team. So that's my thoughts, I'd be interested to hear yours. Cheers.
But the good thing about Wenger is that he almost signed Ronaldo, Messi, Suarez, Neymar, Yaya Toure, Kompany, Varane, Pogba, Ibra, Rivaldo, Pele, Puskas and Nobby Stiles.
How do you think Monaco will fare this season if they lose all of Mbappe / Lemar / Silva ?? Regardless of how much they rinse from buyers, are they guaranteed to get new players who at the very minimum means their squad is no worse than before ?? That must be a strong factor in their thinking. And there is also a difference between being "cheap" and trying to avoid being rinsed for silly money. Do you believe that Arsenal should pay Bale-esque sums for Lemar (if that is what Monaco deem is required) just to avoid being called "cheap" ??
Who cares if Monaco lose Mbapp, Lemar and Silva? Fact is they let players go for the right money regardless of how many other players they've lost. Martial, Kurzawa, Kondogbia, Carrasco and Silva prove that. City didn't have to pay Bale-esque sums for Silva, they paid the going rate. Barca didn't have to pay more for Suarez than he was worth, just his going rate. It's pretty clear we're atrocious at negotiations and a running trend that we don't want to pay the going rate and instead offer less than clubs want. And of course there's a difference between being cheap and not being rinsed. And we're cheap.
Gazidis now realising this season is likely to be another toxic one: "I beg you, please come together and give our manager and this team support." "We're looking for top-quality players," added Gazidis. "We've got three times as many scouts as we had four years ago. I believe that to be a world-class football club, you've got to be world class off the pitch." Good luck with the atmosphere this season Ivan. Also depressingly amusing that he makes no attempt to make out that we're anywhere near being world class on the pitch.
Hmm.. would you say £87 million for an 18 year old with only one Season of top flight football behind him is really derisory? Also £46 million for Lacazette - I would say that's about right. But I do get frustrated at how we dither and constantly attempt to play 'hard ball'.
Alexis Sanchez comments regarding "knowing where he will play next season" remind me so much of the van persie incident... Looks like he'll be on his way to city. We better bring in some sort of replacement...
It's not about his replacement, it's what will happen to our other players and whether we will ultimately come out stronger at the end of the transfer window. That's why i'm keeping an eye on a few areas - keeping our most prised and key players - Sanchez, Ozil and Bellerin. Buying a CF and a couple other players to strengthen sell some unwanted players to streamline the squad
Sánchez was asked whether he would be a club-mate of Bravo’s next season. “Good question,” he replied. “Right now, I am focused on the Confederations Cup. When this is finished, I will see if I stay or if I go. I don’t know.” He added: “It’s clear [in my mind] but I can’t tell you anything.” Sánchez was later asked by Sky Sports about the chances of him staying at Arsenal. “I don’t know my friend, I don’t know,” he said.
Regardless. 87 million for Mbappe is a huge offer for someone of his experience. The rumours are Reals offer was ALOT less upfront but added to 105m with all potential add-ons.
Either way, it's derisory because all we know is that a 105m (regardless of top ups etc which is all conjecture) was rejected and you guys rather than even matching that up front decide to lowball monaco with 87m. 87m is a lot but when you know 105m was rejected out of hand it seems that the bid is insincere. Sure 1 billion pounds is a lot of money, but if i offered that to buy out Manchester United i would be laughed out of the club. 1 billion would probably buy me most clubs and seeing United aren't even in the top 10 in europe at the moment is not to say thats not their market value. Same with Mbaps who you can bet will go for way more than 87 if he does go in this market
So if the Madrid offer was £30m up front, another £30m in instalments and then the rest dependent on him hitting goal targets, winning the ballon dor etc... You couldn't see why an up front offer of less overall money but guaranteed money paid immediately might be worthwhile? We don't know the details but rumours were that we offered less but all of the money up front. I can see why that's a decent tactic. At this point though I'd rather we just upped the offer.
I dont think you get the point here. If someone had said in say March/April that Arsenal were willing to pay £87 million for a talented 18 year old with only one year of top flight football behind him - most would think this was a crazy HIGH amount. Suddernly it's a derisory bid because Real Madrid 'Alledgedly' bid more. I dont agree with that at all. Also if the rumours are true... Reals 'add ons' would be performance/appearance based so there's no guarantee Monaco will get the full amount.
No one knows what real offered, or what arsenal offered, this is just a case of some people using selective information to suite there own argument. Just because the sun or daily telegraph say what arsenal and real have offered, does not mean it is correct. The same posters will vilify people for using these sources, then use then themselves to try and bash arsenal.
The ironic thing is wenger tried to but him last summer, could you have imagined the meltdown on here at wenger buying another young French striker no one had heard of some people would have gone crazy.
