They took the concept of fasting, and the periods from the pagans, as they did with many other traditions. The regionalisation of the traditions is evidence that it didn't come from a universal creator.
I'm not trying to win anything. I'm not even involved in the discussion. Still not worked out why you get called on the same "tactics" on different threads by entirely different people, DMD? Thought not. Carry on.
About what? Spit it out, what exactly are you trying to say? You were talking about the cross being pagan.
I've told you I'm doing it. Not very sneaky. I tried having a reasonable discussion and you had a meltdown. I'll leave it to DMD now.
Possibly because it's pretty much the same boring clowns like you and stumpy popping in to make the claims, and then legging it when they realise the allegations fit them better.
They're so desperate to prove a point they repeatedly fail at, they miss the reality that they are actively demonstrating the the very traits they try to level at others. It's as funny as ****, because his bleating and the reaction has only highlighted that.
Or it could be just some clown's desperate bleating. Hey ho. You're hardly adding much to things are you. You and your ilk delight in trying to drag discussions down to a personal level. Seeing your 'arguments' I can see why you fear full debates.
Some monotheists became described as as sabians, but the term predates it. Also, you can be monotheist and pagan. So, this question of the cross, where have I said it wasn't pagan? Who worshiped at the kaaba pre islam, and how many deities were in there?
@PleaseNotPoll you've managed to unite the pair of them My theory about ****s gravitating to each other, even when they have entirely different beliefs, gathers more evidence
The sabians link to the mandeans and so were a Jewish sect in origin or some say worshippers of john the Baptist (mandeans) so abrahamic I didn't say you said the cross wasn't pagan, I am saying by your definitions earlier it can't be The Kaaba origins are in abrahic religions and the deities/idols were not what you say. So hubal isn't yhr moon god and christian/non muslim historians attest to this The problem with this discussion boils down to your definition of paganism. If one aspectbis not being abrahamic then hubal isn't pagan but still idol worship, same as cross or statues of mary
Paganism is simply a collective term for a variety of non main stream beliefs. You can't really ascribe things to it, rather you can say what it isn't. I have no idea at all what it is you keep referring to about the cross. You need to clarify. Sabian existed as a word before it existed as a term for followers of a particular faith. It meant cast out. I think I recall it being applied to mohamed when he turned away from the belief of his tribe. The kaaba was not dropped in place by supernatural forces, and was a pagan site, with 360 deities pre-islam.
