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Grand Prix thread 2017 Azerbaijan Grand Prix Chat and Predictions

Discussion in 'Formula 1' started by EternalMSC, Jun 14, 2017.

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Who Will Master the Tight Streets of Baku

Poll closed Jun 24, 2017.
  1. Vettel

    23.5%
  2. Hamilton

    52.9%
  3. Bottas

    17.6%
  4. Raikkonen

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  5. Ricciardo

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  6. Verstappen

    5.9%
  7. Perez

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  8. Ocon

    0 vote(s)
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  9. Sainz

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    0.0%
  10. OTHER PLEASE STATE

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  1. SgtBhaji

    SgtBhaji Well-Known Member

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    To be fair, Schuey did take two bites of that particular cherry. One of the absolute finest racers of all time, but same as all the greats, he had his flaws.
     
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  2. cosicave

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    I accept your point, EMSC. However…
    – you've referred to Schumacher's tactics yourself! I refer you to your earlier comment:

    We've used different words to say essentially the same thing, and I think we are both correct in doing so, since other precedents were also mentioned.
     
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  3. EternalMSC

    EternalMSC Well-Known Member

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    I was referring to the fact that Vettel was similar to Michael today, in no way did I refer to it as a moment that trumps them all. He tapped Lewis's car not wipe him clean off the track at 100mph.
     
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  4. EternalMSC

    EternalMSC Well-Known Member

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    Anyway lets drop it, I've made my point. Lets talk about the actual race.
     
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  5. Smithers

    Smithers Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    I was going to discuss this after the dust had settled. For me (and I have raised this for 3 or 4 seasons now) the stewards and the direction of Charlie cause more problems with the inconsistent interpretation and potentially fixed decision making.
     
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  6. Smithers

    Smithers Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Well he arguably is a weapon
     
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  7. cosicave

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    Ha! Very true. I remember him from early days before F1, where he was – arguably – even more of a liability!
     
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  8. EternalMSC

    EternalMSC Well-Known Member

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    I guess be did brake after the turn.
     

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  9. Smithers

    Smithers Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    The question was the rule on cars distance behind Saftey car. The rules I have shown show that there is a 10 car rule, superceeded when the Saftey car is coming in by the dictation of the lead car as per the next rule. The only relevant points I could find were in the rules I showed - it was not a reference to fault it liability. I highlighted the bold as a point of interpretation but I'm sure you have noted I have not passed comment. Was there a point to your statement, or have I just misinterpreted?
     
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  10. EternalMSC

    EternalMSC Well-Known Member

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    Thoughts?
     

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  11. Big Ern

    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

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    of massdamper destruction
     
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  12. BrightLampShade

    BrightLampShade Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    First thoughts as always, I'd like to see the proof. Goes against the official line. Until there's evidence it's a hypothetical discussion.
     
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    Smithers Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    39.13 as quoted. Interpretation unknown.
     
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  14. Big Ern

    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

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    What about the 'over-take' under the SC? It looked like Vettel went ahead, all be it very briefly and marginally, potentially a 2nd thing they can do him for if they decide the 10 second penalty wasn't enough, though they showed last race they're quite willing to give 2 penalties for the same infraction.
     
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  15. Big Ern

    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

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    he didn't brake, he lifted, but not 'completely' which is a bit ambiguous. He was definitely dropping speed though. I take anything posted on social media with a pinch of salt, they could be 2 separate laps.
     
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  16. SgtBhaji

    SgtBhaji Well-Known Member

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    I doubt they'll want to interfere in the championship tbh. It's too good of a battle to really start messing about with by adding additional penalties. It could have deserved a black flag, but that didn't happen so move on.

    Could be wrong though. You never can tell with F1.
     
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  17. EternalMSC

    EternalMSC Well-Known Member

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    True
     
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  18. cosicave

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    My point is that Bando – in referring to the car behind – appears to be questioning Vettel's driving.
    Whilst I believe the sub-articles you've quoted are correct, they focus upon the lead driver and do not reflect the responsibilities of following drivers.
     
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  19. Smithers

    Smithers Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    "I agree though Hamilton should have been penalised for the break testing. I thought there was a rule on cars distance behind safety car?"

    I read that to be the lead car, because every car behind the lead car is dictated by the lead car? I quoted the only rule I could find that the lead car had to abide by in relation "cars distance behind Saftey car", which I can see no evidence of Lewis breaching? The quotes are lifted straight off the FIA F1 Saftey car rule section, so yes correct.

    I can't find anything rule relating or referencing to the 2nd place car not arse ending the 1st place car! That may come under "causing a collision" whereby 39.13 would have to be considered in the investigation.
     
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  20. BrightLampShade

    BrightLampShade Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    When this all happened the pack was only a few seconds behind the safety car. Given the pace differential and the huge straight at the end of this lap it was always going to be a bit clumsy once the driver in P1 could drop back from the safety car.
     
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