1. Log in now to remove adverts - no adverts at all to registered members!

Grand Prix thread 2017 Azerbaijan Grand Prix Chat and Predictions

Discussion in 'Formula 1' started by EternalMSC, Jun 14, 2017.

?

Who Will Master the Tight Streets of Baku

Poll closed Jun 24, 2017.
  1. Vettel

    23.5%
  2. Hamilton

    52.9%
  3. Bottas

    17.6%
  4. Raikkonen

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  5. Ricciardo

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  6. Verstappen

    5.9%
  7. Perez

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  8. Ocon

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  9. Sainz

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  10. OTHER PLEASE STATE

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  1. cosicave

    cosicave Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2011
    Messages:
    5,277
    Likes Received:
    660
    Agreed. Totally out of their depth. But in a sense, this is a credit to other venues whose seasoned volunteers are experts by comparison.
     
    #221
  2. Julius Caesar

    Julius Caesar Well-Known Member
    Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    Jan 30, 2011
    Messages:
    6,824
    Likes Received:
    1,176
    Yep. He's on 9 now.

    Just one more incident to get 12 which would be a race ban and frankly he'd deserve it.

    Another post interview from Seb where Will Buxton persues the issue a bit more and Vettel avoids the question over and over again.

     
    #222
    Last edited: Jun 25, 2017
    cosicave likes this.
  3. cosicave

    cosicave Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2011
    Messages:
    5,277
    Likes Received:
    660
    I completely disagree. Vettel's emotional response, actually stating that he was brake-tested has been found to be completely untrue. My info (at time of writing) is that Hamilton did not touch the brakes. Furthermore, he has every right to accelerate slowly before an imminent restart if he chooses. The responsibility lies with the driver behind to drive safely enough to avoid contact. However, all this is a somewhat moot point. The main problem is FAR more serious: Vettel reacted like an angry young driver who cannot control his emotions. In simple terms, the Police refer to it as 'road rage'.
     
    #223
  4. Big Ern

    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2011
    Messages:
    25,579
    Likes Received:
    20,260
    I don't remember them DSQing Maldonado for doing the same to Hamilton, for pretty much the same reason.

    As for driving at the front, come on cosi, you now you can't drive like an arse at the front, that's why they've warned him about it before He didn't accelerate he coasted and his speed went down from 58-52, it didn't stay the same at a point of the corner where everyone expects an increase to get a bit of heat into the tyres, he was going less than pitlane speed and was surely +10 from the SC.
     
    #224
    Last edited: Jun 25, 2017
    thistle21 likes this.
  5. cosicave

    cosicave Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2011
    Messages:
    5,277
    Likes Received:
    660
    Remind me? I can't remember specifically without! But I do remember thinking Maldonado should have been disqualified a couple of times. Err, hang on (memory kicking in) did Maldonado use his car as a weapon at Monaco?
     
    #225
  6. SgtBhaji

    SgtBhaji Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2011
    Messages:
    14,830
    Likes Received:
    5,944
    If we've learned anything today, it's that Vettel would do effing great in NASCAR! :)
     
    #226
  7. Julius Caesar

    Julius Caesar Well-Known Member
    Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    Jan 30, 2011
    Messages:
    6,824
    Likes Received:
    1,176
    He did it twice. Belgium 2011 (on Hamilton) and Monaco 2012 (on Perez). He got a grid penalty on both occasions.

    So the stewards are consistent(ly spineless)
     
    #227
    cosicave likes this.
  8. cosicave

    cosicave Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2011
    Messages:
    5,277
    Likes Received:
    660
    That is the main point. Absolutely disgraceful demonstration of Vettel losing his head again. It's a shame. Like Schumacher before him, he has enough talent to be above that type of thing; but unfortunately, not enough class…
     
    #228
  9. BrightLampShade

    BrightLampShade Well-Known Member
    Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2011
    Messages:
    13,495
    Likes Received:
    2,568
    Vettel is obviously fuming. A win to Hamilton's 5th taken away through his own stupidity.

    Doesn't look like a brake test to me from the on-board. Hamilton seemed to just hold a constant speed. I guess vettel was annoyed from being caught napping the safety car previous.
     
    #229
    cosicave likes this.
  10. Big Ern

    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2011
    Messages:
    25,579
    Likes Received:
    20,260
    And Prost before him, who was awarded a WDC for it, and Senna, who did it the following season, and got a WDC for it.
     
    #230
    EternalMSC likes this.

  11. cosicave

    cosicave Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2011
    Messages:
    5,277
    Likes Received:
    660
    Yes. These things are unacceptable. Schumacher Trumped them all though!
    *Deliberate capital ;)
     
    #231
  12. SgtBhaji

    SgtBhaji Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2011
    Messages:
    14,830
    Likes Received:
    5,944
    I think if he'd have put Hamilton out, he'd have been for the high jump.

    It'll be interesting to see where we go from here now the gloves are off. Could be tasty. :)
     
    #232
  13. cosicave

    cosicave Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2011
    Messages:
    5,277
    Likes Received:
    660
    He has every right to!
    I also agree about the politics in this race. Far too transparent to wash over an increasingly wise audience, I felt what happened today was somewhat patronising – not only to the knowledgeable but to the average fan.

    [Edited: not only to the knowledgeable but to the average fan is very different how it reads with me skipping the important word!]
     
    #233
    Last edited: Jun 25, 2017
  14. allsaintchris.

    allsaintchris. Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2011
    Messages:
    7,655
    Likes Received:
    1,314
    It was a slow corner and just after the point where he takes control over from the safety car. Vettel should have been more alert, I imagine he wanted to make sure he didn't get dumped on the restart again so was closer to Hamilton going into the corner than he normally would be.

    Coasting through is way way different to brake testing. Vettel thought he was going to hit the throttle and didn't.

    It's one of those things, but what happened afterwards certainly wasn't.
     
    #234
    cosicave likes this.
  15. BrightLampShade

    BrightLampShade Well-Known Member
    Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2011
    Messages:
    13,495
    Likes Received:
    2,568
    I imagine this will be batted between the two of them in the media until the next race. At the moment Hamilton has the high ground so just needs to refrain from saying anything stupid.

     
    #235
    cosicave likes this.
  16. EternalMSC

    EternalMSC Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2011
    Messages:
    10,624
    Likes Received:
    747
    Similar to yourself having plenty of knowledge regarding F1 but lacking when taking every possible oppurtunity to bash Michael...
    Schumacher didn't "trump them all" sorry.
     
    #236
  17. BrightLampShade

    BrightLampShade Well-Known Member
    Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2011
    Messages:
    13,495
    Likes Received:
    2,568
    Behold, Benson has spoken!!!!



     
    #237
  18. Big Ern

    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2011
    Messages:
    25,579
    Likes Received:
    20,260
    It was definitely a 'for the sake of the show decision IMO', as was the first safety car, that should've been a VSC, and that caused the rest of the shenanigans, quite possibly it helped Hamilton in the long run, without it he probably would've still had the head-rest failure and handed the race to Seb, though it may have been sorted during a pit-stop.

    entertaining though, with some great over-takes, Ricciardo's double on the Williams (or was it a triple) probably the pick.
     
    #238
  19. cosicave

    cosicave Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2011
    Messages:
    5,277
    Likes Received:
    660
    El Bando said:
    "Does Vettel not understand he drove into him? (The 2nd time)
    I agree though Hamilton should have been penalised for the break testing. I thought there was a rule on cars distance behind safety car?"

    I notice you have not actually answered Bando's questions! He asked about rules pertaining to the following driver, who has a responsibility to anticipate the need to avoid contact. The lead driver, as you know, may control the pace once the Safety Car's lights are out to indicate that it is coming in imminently. The responsibility is with the following driver, not the leader.
     
    #239
  20. cosicave

    cosicave Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2011
    Messages:
    5,277
    Likes Received:
    660
    Agreed.
     
    #240

Share This Page