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Spurlock said:
Very true, ultimately I for one, through hook or by crook, through fighting my own demons and doubts life may throw at me will always recognise that there is a God and he is good, it's us that have the ability to be corrupt.

That's how my thought patterns ultimately go mate, in important matters of life.
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But didnt allah make us? So he made us that way.
Its like a piss take?
I am this cool dude and i can literally make or do anything, but what I will do is create a world full of evil. And corruption, where the little man, through no fault of his own gets shat on and ****ed from all quarters while a select few who I have allowed to be corrupted, reap all the benefits because... **** everyone else.

Thats my main beef with it all. If the guy does exist he is a **** and deserves nothing from us except scorn and hatred.... Be he named God, Allah, Buddha or whatever
 
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NowsufferinginSpain said:
What I said was, if you read back instead of going off on one, is that I believe that your assertion that we are all agnostics is wrong.

Any knots are of your own making.
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If you believe it's wrong then why did you agree with it 'loosely' then?

What were you saying about knots <laugh>

You're done, somebody put a fork in him.
 
Highburyal said:
So you aint got a clue as usual and talking ****...
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If you really wanted to 'fast' during sunlight, you'd have moved to Iceland and done a proper job. It looks like I have more idea of the world then who ever set the rules. :emoticon-0102-bigsm
 
Tel said:
If you believe it's wrong then why did you agree with it 'loosely' then?

What were you saying about knots <laugh>

You're done, somebody put a fork in him.
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Firstly it was very, very loosely. And only in the sense of of course nothing can be proved. And that's where faith comes in.

You're the pedantic prick here, pal. Disappear back up your own arse, it's where you seem to live.
 
Bodinki said:
Thats my main beef with it all. If the guy does exist he is a **** and deserves nothing from us except scorn and hatred.... Be he named God, Allah, Buddha or whatever
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Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?

Epicurus (341 BC – 270 BC)
 
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Tel said:
Apart from the first paragraph, You've just repeated what I said. You can't 'prove me wrong' by repeating my words dude!

Of course faith exists, that's a good thing as far as I'm concerned. It means we have believers and non-believers, there's no need for the third option, as faith is not based on facts, it's based on confidence.

I do actually believe that the universe could be explained by science, of course it can, science explains everything, even God would be explainable by science, it's humans that can't understand it, yet. That doesn't make me atheist though, what makes me atheist is not believing in god.

There are also religious folk out there who believe science explains the origins of the universe, but they get around it by slipping God in before the science!
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There are lot things science can explain but not the reasoning behind it all, even then science takes a lot of assumptions and inference which later someone else comes along and proves it either right or wrong, to take it as fact all you are doing is taking someone else's word for it and believing that answers it all.

Also you are making an big assumption that science can explain God, it hasn't been able to do so either way so far so what makes you think it will be able to in future? Science cannot and will never be able to explain something that comes in to existence from nothing it can only deal with what's there at the time physically for the scientists to come up with a theory/inference, it doesn't explain designer aspect of it all...

Religious books/scriptures are not book of Science it explains some things but not everything its a book of guidance. Those who believe do so with reasoning based on faith, those who don't generally base it by chance it all happened and there is no purpose to it all.
 
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Bodinki said:
But didnt allah make us? So he made us that way.
Its like a piss take?
I am this cool dude and i can literally make or do anything, but what I will do is create a world full of evil. And corruption, where the little man, through no fault of his own gets shat on and ****ed from all quarters while a select few who I have allowed to be corrupted, reap all the benefits because... **** everyone else.

Thats my main beef with it all. If the guy does exist he is a **** and deserves nothing from us except scorn and hatred.... Be he named God, Allah, Buddha or whatever
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Theodicy.
 
Highburyal said:
There are lot things science can explain but not the reasoning behind it all, even then science takes a lot of assumptions and inference which later someone else comes along and proves it either right or wrong, to take it as fact all you are doing is taking someone else's word for it and believing that answers it all.

Also you are making an big assumption that science can explain God, it hasn't been able to do so either way so far so what makes you think it will be able to in future? Science cannot and will never be able to explain something that comes in to existence from nothing it can only deal with what's there at the time physically for the scientists to come up with a theory/inference, it doesn't explain designer aspect of it all...

Religious books/scriptures are not book of Science it explains some things but not everything its a book of guidance. Those who believe do so with reasoning based on faith, those who don't generally base it by chance it all happened and there is no purpose to it all.
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Science doesn't claim to know everything. Generally, it claims to know only a small percentage of what could be knowable.

That doesn't mean that 'god' is the answer to the unknown bits anymore than santa is. If anything, the versions offered in the Abrahimic versions have too many bits that make them very unlikely to be the answer to any meaningful question.
 
Highburyal said:
There are lot things science can explain but not the reasoning behind it all, even then science takes a lot of assumptions and inference which later someone else comes along and proves it either right or wrong, to take it as fact all you are doing is taking someone else's word for it and believing that answers it all.

Also you are making an big assumption that science can explain God, it hasn't been able to do so either way so far so what makes you think it will be able to in future? Science cannot and will never be able to explain something that comes in to existence from nothing it can only deal with what's there at the time physically for the scientists to come up with a theory/inference, it doesn't explain designer aspect of it all...

Religious books/scriptures are not book of Science it explains some things but not everything its a book of guidance. Those who believe do so with reasoning based on faith, those who don't generally base it by chance it all happened and there is no purpose to it all.
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You're getting science confused with human beings mate. Science is only bound by human aptitude.

With regards to the last bit, chaos theory.

Empty a bag of sand on the floor a trillion times and you'll never get the same result.
 
Bodinki said:
But didnt allah make us? So he made us that way.
Its like a piss take?
I am this cool dude and i can literally make or do anything, but what I will do is create a world full of evil. And corruption, where the little man, through no fault of his own gets shat on and ****ed from all quarters while a select few who I have allowed to be corrupted, reap all the benefits because... **** everyone else.

Thats my main beef with it all. If the guy does exist he is a **** and deserves nothing from us except scorn and hatred.... Be he named God, Allah, Buddha or whatever
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Life can feel like a piss take sometimes, we eventually have to deal with it. Another very important aspect of faith is life after death, that is something i believe and it's when a lot of questions get answered, that's my faith. I have no problems with accepting that I am the property of God in a grand scheme of things. This also does not interfere with my every day life here on earth, I only take inspiration from my faith.
 
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Tel said:
You're getting science confused with human beings mate. Science is only bound by human aptitude.

With regards to the last bit, chaos theory.

Empty a bag of sand on the floor a trillion times and you'll never get the same result.
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Heard that argument before, you can empty it infinite times but you wont get a Sand Castle without someone putting it all in place...
 
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