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  1. PleaseNotPoll

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    Atheism isn't a belief, but it is a fact, actually. Some people don't believe in any gods. That's a fact.
     
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    Fundamentalism requires scripture, by definition.
    Feel free to call Dawkins an asshole or a dickhead, but he's not a fundamentalist.
     
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    Oxford Dictionary defines religion as:

    The belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or God's.



    No. Atheism is not a religion. Some atheists treat it almost like a religion and go all fervent and desperate to convert others, but atheism is not a religion.
     
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    Actually Atheism is a belief. It's a belief that there is no God. You kind of confirmed that in your post.
    Agnosticism is a fact, it states that nothing can be known to prove or disprove the existence of God.
     
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    They're not accidents though, are they?
    If that branch of McDonalds has a bunch of people coming in and starting trouble all the time, then the analogy would be more accurate.
    Still crap, but less so.
     
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    Atheism is a belief not a fact, your argument some people don't believe in god is a fact, the reverse is some people believe in god is a fact. That's a fact.
     
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    Atheism isn't necessarily the belief that there are no gods, just a lack of belief in them.

    Your definition of agnosticism doesn't even make sense.
    We can't know if there are any gods or not? How do you know that?
    We don't know at the moment, but how can we know that we won't ever know?
    It's a pointless and rather ridiculous position.
     
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    You do know there are 26 Bishops in the House of Lords who participate fully in law making process, therefore they do indeed play a role in dictating policy and legislature. We are, in fact, the only democratic country in the world to give seats in its legislature to religious representatives as of right.
     
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    Atheism is a fact. Some people don't believe in gods. That's a fact.
    Atheism doesn't state anything about whether those gods actually exist or not.
    Theism is also factual. People believe in gods.
     
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    Indeed

    Stephen Fry said it best, so I will just link his video again

     
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    My words were he is "like a fundamentalist" not that he is a fundamentalist and I stand by that. He acts and behaves in very much the same way as fundamentalists of religions do.

    People like him HAVE created their own analogies of scriptures and holy books.



    I'm an atheist myself, or agnostic (depending on how you define the difference), and even I can fully recognise that Dawkins treats his lack of religion like a religion and is not much different to one of the crazy soap box preachers you see at the local market here in the States.
     
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    Well then Atheism is still a belief system. The belief that there are no Gods
    Whereas Agnosticism is the view that the existence of God or the supernatural is unknown or unknowable
     
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    But it still isn't a religion either.
     
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    What scripture does Dawkins' religion adhere to, then?

    Dawkins and the rest of the so-called Four Horsemen are (or were) simply a bit antagonistic.
    Comparing them with religious fundamentalists undermines quite how bad those they're being compared to are.
    Until that small group of authors start shooting people, throwing them off buildings or removing their rights it's a silly comparison.
     
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    What has the Lords changed?
    In recent years, the House of Lords has persuaded the government to make policy changes on a diverse range of issues. These include:

    • streamlining public bodies and quangos
    • ensuring children with special needs and disabilities have access to mainstream education
    • protecting the right to legal aid in welfare cases
    • insisting on parity of NHS treatment for physical and mental illness
    • making sure the UK has leading stem cell research facilities.

    So in short....no.....no religious bullshit leaks into our laws....thank you.
     
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    Can someone please invoke Godwins Law and we can end this ****?
     
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  17. Bodinki

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    You could say that about anything then.
    Arsenal is a belief system, the belief that Arsenal are the best.
    Quavers are a belief system
    Socks are a belief system
     
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    Atheism isn't the belief that there are no gods. It's the answer to one single question.
    Do you believe in any gods? Yes? You're not an atheist. No? Then you are one.
    It doesn't say anything about any other questions.

    I don't agree with your definition of agnosticism, but I'll address it anyway.
    The existence of god is unknowable? How do you know?
     
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    You sound just like a Nazi. :emoticon-0147-emo:
     
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    So god is like hitler...
     
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