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Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by Stroller, Jun 25, 2015.

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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

    56 vote(s)
    47.9%
  2. Get out

    61 vote(s)
    52.1%
  1. kiwiqpr

    kiwiqpr Barnsie Mod

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    how many nurses are there in the nhs that we have managed to mislay 40 000
    how many beds are there in nhs hospitals
    how many managers
    are you sure with that number sb
    how many 18 to 25 year olds are unemployed or not studying /training
    apparently the number here is 90 000
     
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    Stroller Well-Known Member

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    So immigration is falling, yay!
     
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    Stroller Well-Known Member

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    'Austerity is over', May has told her cabinet (or was it the other way round). Higher taxes, or have they found the magic money tree? Meanwhile cross-party talks have taken place with a view to ensuring a soft Brexit, the economy taking precedence over immigration. Perhaps Labour did win after all.
     
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    sb_73 Well-Known Member

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    Kiwi personal search engine malfunction. 'Do the work for me sb' is not operating properly. Estimated results: 12,623,132 nurses, 16 beds, 38 managers, 0 unemployed youngsters.
    No, you can't force youngsters to rack up debt training to get a job paying £21k (rising after many years to £34k to take even more responsibility), with wage rises capped at 1%, chronically overworked due to understaffing. And even if they wanted to there are three times more applicants than training places available.
     
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    sb_73 Well-Known Member

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    Here's my Brexit prediction. We will be timed out on the negotiations, partly because we don't have a clear, consolidated position, partly because there is simply not enough time, a sixth of it has already gone and the sides haven't even met yet. We will agree a 'transitional' Norway agreement to buy time, perhaps for 5 years. At the end of 5 years this will be renewed, and it will be quietly forgotten that it's meant to be temporary.

    She really is rather good.....shame she's a churchgoer. And a Tory.

     
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    kiwiqpr Barnsie Mod

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    the sb73 search engine works really well when its during kiwi work hours
    14 hours and counting today

    maybe free training and bonding needs to be considered in relation to nurses

    the only reason I asked about the youngsters was because the 90000 figure here was announced today
    sounds a lot considering the population
    the nz labour party is going to crack down on pesky foreigners (mainly foreign students) if they ever get into power
    oh the American has just scored for the lions
     
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    sb_73 Well-Known Member

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    90,000 does seem a lot for NZ. 560,000 16-25 year olds unemployed in U.K., which sounds like a lot, but in the context of 63m population perhaps not. There are lots of jobs around at the moment, albeit many not very good quality ones. I suspect that the unemployment might be high in some parts of the country and within some communities. Certainly where I live there are loads of (pretty low paid) jobs for youngsters, they can pick and choose. As my kids do.

    I think nurses get a means tested bursary for their training rather than a loan. But the issue is, from all the crap you see on TV going in in hospitals, who would want to do it?
     
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    I think you may have a bit of a crush on her....<laugh><laugh><laugh>
     
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    My next door neighbour has a daughter (aged 19) who has just finished her first year at Uni, living away from home in Southampton, training to be a Paediatrics nurse. She has an NHS bursary, so isn't paying teaching fees but does need money to live on. Unlike "normal" students, she doesn't get long holidays. Now term has finished, she's been sent to Basingstoke for 8 weeks on work placement, 12-hour shifts, etc.
     
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    Presumably she gets paid for her 'placement', and I also hope she is not regretting her choice. Also I hope she has a car, I know where the hospital is in Basingrad, you really can't get anywhere there without a vehicle.
     
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    TBH, I don't know if she'd getting paid or not. No car, as far as I know. May have a bicycle, though...
     
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    Perhaps she could call an ambulance!
     
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    Tim Farron has resigned as LibDems leader, won't make any difference there...
     
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    No matter, the Liberal Democrats are full of credible leadership candidates.

    Oh.....!
     
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    Apparently he realised what was bloody obvious to the rest of us, that some of the policies he was reluctantly supporting were in direct conflict with his version of Christianity.

    Step forward Vince Cable, a man endowed with the ability to tell others where they got it wrong, endlessly.
     
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    I feel sorry for Farron (no, I do) because he was upfront about his Christian beliefs, but equally upfront that, as a Liberal, it meant he could still support the rights of others to hold different beliefs to himself. His voting record supported that.

    Unlike other politicians, who use their faux Christianity to fit in when they have no Christian beliefs whatsoever and prove it whenever they vote in Parliament.

    The fact that Farron could be hounded for his beliefs rather than his actions says more about the people hounding him than it does him.

    But he was a dreadful party leader and ran a pretty poor campaign. Vince Cable will be along in a minute to explain how he would have done it better...
     
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    Leaves him free to declare gays are a bunch of Jesus sinning arse-bandits
     
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    His cunning plan to be in government, sort of, by joining his fellow travellers in the DUP
     
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    Fair comment, I think he struggled honestly to balance his genuine faith with a public role, and clearly found that ultimately, unless you find a political party which is 100% in line with your faith (which I guess has to come first if it's genuine), it's bloody difficult.

    He was badgered about his beliefs because there was a clear inconsistency, which he struggled to square off. I've no problem with there being inconsistency (if someone badgered me about a variety of things it would soon become clear that I am all over the place, lots of contradictory beliefs and attitudes), but he just needed to say 'look, for me xxx is a sin, but if others feel differently that's fine and it's not my role to stand in their way. I will vote consistently with personal freedom to make your own decisions about these things'. Which is still problematic for a would be leader, but at least it would have avoided some of the awkwardness which did detract from the policy stuff.

    I'd love someone to badger May about her Anglicanism, and for that matter Corbyn, who I presume is an atheist, about what it means for him.
     
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    There were plenty of instances where Farron addressed the conflict between his views and his leaders role in just the way you suggested. The media found it productive for propagating their preferences to comment snidely and paraphrase in their headlines and top paragraphs before sometimes deigning to actually quote him somewhere near the bottom. As I'm fond of saying, most people don't get past the headlines before they form (or more often, reinforce) their opinion. Many then focused on his appearance as if that were a valid critique of what he said.

    I think the Lib Dems will be better off with a more secular leader and Farron will be personally happier. He wasn't good at it and the Lib Dems made a mistake focusing on Remaining as their main policy. Compared to austerity and social inequality, it has no traction and they couldn't convince voters to agree that it was the most important issue and therefore vote for it. I didn't, and I'm a natural Liberal voter.
     
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