he is talking about the views of the Scots people SH.... and a % will still push for it.... a little more analysis of people's postings may help
Sensible Lib Dem voters seeing their party reduced from nearly 50 to under 10 then up to 12 would recognise their days in the sun are over for good. After their last experience in government they will avoid any type of coalition, just being used as a protest vote. You need to research how the UK political system works, it is 'first past the post'. With the domination of the two major parties, this system will not change so you need to get used to it.
As I said yesterday politics is a results business. The PM took a gamble with her attempts to move the Tories to the centre ground, it obviously did not succeed. If it takes a change of PM to restore the party's domination of UK politics then so be it, perhaps she can whether the storm, time will tell. Unlike Labour the Tories have many experienced and capable candidates, we know the party will soon ditch anyone not performing well.
Meanwhile you are clinging to a party that has failed to win the confidence of the voters. A party that is in turmoil within, laughed at by people around the world, and in serious danger of trying to stay in office no matter what price they have to pay. They are bringing the country into disrepute, and something needs to change.
Oh come on.. just a whisker away from abuse again SH And no party was first past the post was it.... We have to move away from this divisive political system which time after time alienates almost half the electorate... it is a failure
Well I will always choose a political system for the benefit of all.... and the oneupmanship is returning I see... and if the Tories don't move left.... .then they will almost certainly decline... other commentators and tory MPs are talking now about how they failed to capture the vote due their social care/nhs/education policies.... so they HAVE to consider them now.. and a more centrist approach is needed
Interesting question. In a clash between 'individual' vs. 'party' I would tend to prefer the second. It is the party which pays for election campaigns, and so an individual is tied to a party programme, however 'able' he may be as an individual. In the USA. senators are less bound to a party manifesto - but then they pay their own election expenses as well, which makes them more open to the influence of sponsors. I am a member of a political party, but sometimes have doubts about our own personnel - and sometimes have more respect for individuals in other parties, and think 'I wish he/she was with us'. I have voted for other parties - for tactical reasons. As a example of 'party programme' vs. individuals, would you vote for the following party ? Amongst their programme were the following points: 11. Abolition of unearned incomes (inherited wealth, living from interest etc.) Breaking of debt (interest) slavery. 12. Personal enrichment through war designated as a crime - total confiscation of all war profits. 13. Nationalization of all (previous) associated industries (trusts). 14. Division of profits of all heavy industries. 15. Radical expansion of old age welfare. 16. Immediate communalization of all large warehouses. 17. Prevention of all speculation on land or currency. Free expropriation of land for the purposes of public utility. 21. Outlawing of all child labor, and the provision of professional training for all children. The party was also against vivisection, and smoking in public. So, which party was it - were they on the left or the right, and do you agree with the programme (at least what is there - I have left a lot out) ?
You don't seem to understand the political system in the UK. The Tories were by far the largest political party chosen by the electorate. The Conservatives have governed since 2010 and will continue to govern. By comparison to most other countries this is a model of stability envied around the world. The only viable opposition party is in danger of breaking up and all the other political parties are irrelevant due to their minuscule representation in parliament.
It is not envied anywhere SH. other than in Sierra Leone. The most obvious result of Britain's system is that the majority are always against the government - which eventually leads to estrangement from politics. It leads to around 60% of all voting papers ending in the rubbish bin.
Oh no it is not..... i have not heard one political commentator say anything like what you are saying there. This is a chink of opportunity to engage in dialogue which incidentally was what was behind Leo setting up the politics thread which then became toxic as a result of proselytizing and party politics. I can also assure you that our model is NOT envied around the world... and if you think parliament and the number of MPs is what politics is about I think respectfully you are really limiting
If you fancy a click or two to express your lack of confidence in the newly forming Government: https://www.change.org/p/may-out-no-coalition-with-the-d-u-p https://www.change.org/p/theresa-ma...ition/sponsors/new?source_location=after_sign
The Conservatives losing their majority at the general election could amount to the party losing its mandate to take Britain out of the single market, the Brexit Secretary has suggested. David Davis said the party's manifesto contained the pledge to leave the customs union and single market and that the British people would make "their decision" on the Brexit proposal.
The forlorn calls on this board for the UK to change its political system is like demanding Watford FC a place in the champions league, it ain't gonna happen.
The Tories had the manifesto with the most support, by seats and votes, which is why it is still in government.
I think we (the UK) are in a bit of a mess at the moment. Possibly at a crossroads at the wrong time. And there is a lack of stability. But to put it in context you wouldn't want what is happening in Spain. For sure people here (in Spain) envy the UK constitution and set up
