Just moving the subject a little to one side if I may: How many here have ever voted for an individual not of your political persuasion? And who would you vote for if given the opportunity? Or would you only vote for your party even if they put Hitler up as the candidate? [Please note Thersea May does not have a moustache - yet ]. I'll give an example. While being of the left I once voted for Sir George Young. I met him several times and a more intelligent, good fun, family human being you'd have trouble finding. I know if I had the chance I'd also vote for Vince Cable(LibDem) and Chuka Umunna (Labour).
On a more positive note (and it took a comedy programme on Channel 4 to point this out), there are more female MPs than ever before and the first time there's been two disabled MPs. Given that the Palace of Westminster is such an old building, how disabled-friendly is it? For instance, aren't stairs the only way to get to the Members Bar? I don't know the nature of their disabilities, so it may not be a problem.
Studying historical events and decisions help in forming policies and prevent repeating mistakes. I agree Ken Clarke and Michael Heseltine are well out of touch with the views of the people. From somebody that predicted the end of the two party system in the UK, effective legal opposition to Brexit and the rise of the Lib Dems your political analysis is proving extremely suspect.
We certainly know that bribery is a good election tool. The Tories have used it for years. Now Labour have offered students £30,000 - and unbelievably they are motivated to vote - quelle surprise. The big bribe to spend £50 billion per year that we do not have in their manifesto that the IFS rubbished still only brought Labour back to where they were in 2010. Once the media and Labour supporters get over their surprise at not being trounced and reality comes back to reporting all we will have learned is that TM is rubbish and not the leader she was hyped up to be. I genuinely wonder if the Tories tried to throw this election knowing brexit is a poison chalice. They did not fight once on their traditional grounds of economics. In Scotland the talk in pubs is how Sturgeon is staying under the radar. She lost nearly half her MPs and suddenly even Labour are electable in Scotland again. Independence - not in a generation! Good. The SNP have finally been exposed for what they are.
There are many truths in this post but I cannot agree the Tories tried not to be re-elected. The social care issue was a brave attempt to tackle a serious problem but just before an election? big mistake. It really does need all party consultation and co-operation to take the politics out of this subject as much as possible. Successive governments have avoided the issue because whatever the outcome we will have to pay more. It is not fair on future generations to keep borrowing more to pay for today's services.
From somebody that predicted a big Tory victory, the will of the people , etc etc your political analysis is proving extremely suspect. I think political analysis is different to predicting outcomes SH and that lets you too off the hook. I listened to it all night on Thursday as the media politicos grappled with an outcome they couldn't understand. You friend Kuenssberg was writhing in her seat as she tried to make sense of an outcome she had never wanted to consider... she was on he mobile texting her Tory MP friends and then making 'wise' comments ...she had not contacts with the labour party Clearly the Tory manifesto for what it was for this election was shambolic... and even the snake in the grass redwood was talking of more need to consider public services yesterday....
When you talk about cross party consultation, you are simply advocating what I have argued for. A centre path, not extreme left or right.
Changing your tune here SH.. .after the abuse you have given virtually everyone who is not a Tory.... and the snide personalised remarks too Not connected at all with having no majority in parliament is it?? So the only way to stay in power is to work together on the sensitive issues???
Without the Tory social care fiasco and Corbyn's unaffordable bribe to students the result would have mirrored the recent local elections. Redwood was just accepting the view that most people cannot understand the need for sensible fiscal management and require some 'freebies' coming their way. Corbyn and McDonnell left any kind of previous Labour financial restraints behind and just promised the earth. Just like Hollande in France the unaffordable truth would have emerged after a few days in office.
There are many issues which are suitable for cross party cooperation, this is one of them. The snide personalised remarks are your domain.
Been busy since yesterday - visiting every pub in Scotland in a day is surely no mean feat? And half of 54 is 27 - I know this because I'm a teacher. SNP actually lost 19 seats - which is far, far closer to a third than it is to a half. But despite that, they still hold the clear majority of MPs in Scotland. Independence is still on the table too - the Scottish Government already held the mandate for that after Holyrood voted in favour. If anything, they are in a stronger position now - at least three of those new Tory MPs were Tory List MSPs, meaning Tory numbers have been reduced in Holyrood as there are no by-elections for list MSPs... And I would imagine that there is a large percentage of Scots voters warily watching what transpires from the Tory partnership with the Orange Order - the Bigots R'Us coalition as it's been described up here.
Wrong, I have not advocated a wishy washy Lib Dem stance, the country have voted and their preference is a right wing party. The Lib Dems have returned to being a small protest party, irrelevant in the upcoming parliament. This is not to say some issues can be discussed sensibly to avoid the problem being pushed further into the long grass.
well i will keep you posted when you make you little jokes about lefties, cliques, sandals etc etc Happy to help you see your own blind spots
Live Two thirds of Tory Party members believe Theresa May should resign after disastrous election results. It must be true, it is the headline in the Torygraph.
BB must be the only person in the UK that thinks independence is still on the table, a spin even Alastair Campbell would have been proud of!!
I wonder what a libDem voter would think and feel about your comment here. Incidentally if you add up the votes more people have voted against a right wing party... sadly the blindness of those of the right makes the maths hard.. If you stop your stereotypical and divisive posts SH you may find some common ground... your party certainly will need it
MM...... SH your views ... .after all you have been firmly on her side.... as she is such a strong leader etc etc
