Off Topic Easiest poster on the PL board to wind up?

Verse 3:28
Laa yattakhizil mu'minoonal kaafireena awliyaaa'a min doonil mu'mineena wa mai yaf'al zaalika falaisa minal laahi fee shai'in illaaa an tattaqoo minhum tuqaah; wa yuhazzirukumul laahu nafsah; wa ilal laahil maser.

Awliya' means protectors. This Ayah was revealed at a time when there was battles between Muslims and the disbelievers (Kuffar of Quraysh who had persecuted them and forced them out of Mecca) and in the Ayah, Allah (swt) is warning Muslims not to take the disbelievers for protection or make deals with them over the Muslims. THIS DOES NOT MEAN YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE RELATIONS WITH NON MUSLIMS!!!! The Prophet (pbuh) and the Companions (ra) used to deal, give gifts and respected the non Muslims who caused them no harm, such as their neighbours.

It is our duty as Muslims to be kind and respectful to all humans and all of Allah's creations, and we should not judge anyone on their belief, but invite them to what we believe is the truth the best of ways. The judgement is for Allah (swt) on the "Day of Accountability". We should always continue to deal with non Muslim colleagues, friends and so on and show them how our beautiful religion tells us to treat others and not persecute people unjustly..

@DUNCAN DONUTS

 

And they were put in power by the Brits mate and kept in power by them too.....

 

Saudis promote wahabi mosques?

The tableeghi mosques the Saudis are said to promote are pretty much on the idiology of ashraf Ali thanvi which I sweird because the sufis and barelwis from south Asia are in that too

Love it when people act as if the know what they are talking about. Which "wahab" do you refer to?

 

So you admit it's the Saudis and their political agenda yet you have been having the mother of all meltdowns on here trying to throw everyone under the bus.

Classic symptoms of a fearful mind Duncan

 

Classic symptoms of I haven't a fecking clue

These guys like to ignore or rewrite history.

Apparently OBL was part of the wahabi Saadi movement. Really? He said the Saudi regime are kafir

The best is th websites he uses use arayaan Ali hirsi as a source even after her right wing dutch mates have outed her as a liar

 

I'm not afraid of Islam and I'm willing to learn from you and Fan about your understanding of the religion.

Fan claimed to hang about with Anjem Choudary who most certainly doesn't share his tolerant gay friendly views.

 

I know gay people, no problems with them. I don't need to be a Muslim to push a gay bloke off my lap, just not my thing.

 

I said I had met him. But then I met loads of people who I had issues with and bothered to go to refute them.etc including Dawkins et al

A for gay friendly tolerant views think you purposefully trying to misrepresent what I said

I am not surprised its the Bastian of one having his arse handed to him on a plate

 

You have explained that your own interpretation of your book has many grey areas .
Others believe literally that the book is God's word.
If he says apostasy should be punishable by death they murder their own children as honor killings ,gays should be thrown off the highest place and if they survive stoned to death .
Non Muslims being murdered is not a problem and their wives /children are fair game as sex slaves .

There are people that hold these views and they walk amongst us, they too call themselves Muslims and would consider you an Uncle Tom.

My guess is you are trying to feed me the watered down version of your religion but amongst other Muslims you are more extreme.

 

So you get answers and then you jump to other ones that are not true either....

I doubt you will find any Muslims doesn't believe the Qur'an to be the word of God...There was no interpretation given just the truth...

 

It's very confusing because some quote the book and take it literally but Fan argues that apostasy is permitted along with homosexuals.

I don't confess to know much about your faith but these 2 things I thought were pretty straight forward.

 

i gave the answers to these in previous posts...

The way look at it is if you are genuine in knowing then dont get your answers from the sites set up to spread ignorance, ask the muslims.

There are people that will go round with the same questions because they didn't get the answers according to their prejudiced views and dismiss the actual teaching of the Qur'an and Hadith from Muslims.

 

The 3 nut jobs that killed people in London last Saturday interpreted your book literally and chose to wage war on non believers.

Moderates saying they aren't proper Muslims is wearing thin .

 

At last, we got there in the end.

 

They are not proper Muslims

 

@DUNCAN DONUTS

Here's a question for you.

Who do you believe brought down the Twin Towers on 9/11?

Fanatical Muslims, who managed to breach American airspace, and fly a jumbo jet into one of the most protected places on the Planet?

Or fanatical Christians who wanted to make it look like Muslim extremists, in order to justify the rape and plunder of the oil-fields in Iraq and Syria, and the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of woman and children?

You don't have to tell me what you think, because I really have no intention of judging you - I am not fit to do that - but if, in your heart of hearts, you have a sneaking suspicion that it was the latter, ask yourself if it is fair to taint all Christians with the same murderous intent of the Right Wing American Imperialist Neo-Cons?

Abraham, who is a patriarch of both Jews and Arabs, Christians and Muslims, was prepared to kill his own child to prove his allegiance to Yahweh/Allah. No one in his right mind would even contemplate doing such a thing, today. Who are you going to blame Abraham's fanaticism on, Christians or Muslims? There are those on both sides who will argue with you that Abraham would have been blameless, had Yahweh/Allah not prevented him from carrying out the killing.

There are fanatics in every religion. You choose to demonise one set of fanatics and tar all who follow that religion with the same brush, because you lack the ability or the will to seek balance. Muslim fanatics strap themselves with bombs and kill a few dozen innocent Westerners; American Christian and Jewish fanatics strap drones with bombs and kill a few thousand innocent Muslims. I think both sets of fanatics are murderers, and all should be held to account. I think we both know, however, that one set of murderers is probably going to get away the murder, at least for as long as they manage to hold on to power.

 

One was 7 days ago the other 16 years ago.

 

This is what th they don't get. They make out as if homosexuals are simply rounded up and killed. Od

I haven't explained or suggested any of this

Just that your questions are bullshit

 

I said no such thing, just addressed your hypotheticall questions