Reassuring to remember that there are still senior US politicians and diplomats prepared to counter the party line.....
Cameron will go down in history as a coward: he pitched the EU Referendum because he was scared that more of his MPs would follow Carswell and Reckless over to UKIP, used the same tactics in the EU Referendum campaign that damn near lost him Scotland in their independence referendum a couple of years previously, was dumb enough to think his MPs would fall in line and back him rather than put their careers first - which saw him get knifed by Boris and Gove while May claimed to be supportive but did as little as possible throughout the campaign, clearly with both eyes on the result - and then when it blew up in his face he couldn't get the hell out of there fast enough.
I agree, NSIS, that many are religious fanatics too. But they don't attack the West per se. The recent attacks on Britain appear to have been committed by British citizens who have lived a Western lifestyle; not fundamentalists from abroad. Britain is a prime target because our foreign policy gives the aggrieved motivation to seek revenge. It may be the tipping point for the disaffected within our own shores.
Those people are disaffected youths, mainly. They are easy prey for the manipulators and recruiters of ISIS. We as a country have to face the fact that these people hate us, and no matter if peace came to the Middle East tomorrow they would still try to destroy us. We represent everything that their twisted ideology hates.
Coincidentally, and at the risk of sounding hackneyed, disaffected youths are also easy prey for the manipulators and recruiters for Britain First - and the irony is that Britain First are the best recruitment tool for any jihadist group, because not only can they point to any number of comments on that page that helps their cause, aided by pointing out that Facebook allow them to do so.
Of course. Disaffected youth are very vulnerable to extremist influence. Especially the less intelligent and more impressionable of them. ISIS don't have a monopoly on that. But, for obvious reasons, young Muslims are their main, but not only target area.
European heads of state and people united in their support of the UK and London, whilst the POTUS ridicules our Mayor on social media. Now - remind me - who are we supposed to be relying on as our 'most trusted ally'......
Another thing that may have slipped under the radar is the Dire Leader trying to use these attacks to push her internet censorship agenda, even though the evidence and intelligence clearly stated the Manchester bomber had spent time in both Libya and Syria - and not one scrap of evidence points to him being radicalised online. To me this is just as bad as the Oompa Loompa using it as an excuse to try and add van drivers to the travel ban, or whatever the **** that moronic tweet was about.
If what I'm hearing on the news is correct, it seems that our intelligence and policing community need to get their act together. It seems that one of these nutters had been reported to the anti terrorist hotline at least twice. The first time two years ago, ffs!.
Naive rather than a coward. I think he was a fairly poor politician tactically but that may mean he's quite a decent human being.
GGG? Golovkin has nothing to do with this There were about 50 deaths and 50 injuries in the Orlando nightclub shooting and that was just one guy, not 3. How is the President of the US coming out with nonsense that doesn't even stand up to a casual glance? That's leaving aside his deliberately misleading quotes of Sadiq Khan, which he appears to have got from Fox News(again!). It's all propaganda. Would you expect the BNP to come out officially and say "we just hate darkies, alright"? It's not trustworthy, it's just their way of trying to justify themselves in a relgious context to others. They ignore and twist Islam as it suits them, they wouldn't be killing other Muslims if they truly believed the word of the God they claim to believe in. The brainwashed arseholes carrying out the attacks might buy it, but ISIS attacks the West to provoke a response, such as returning fire and killing innocent people in the Middle East, or inciting bigotry of the wider Muslim communities. These responses would only increase their support and give them more sympathy in the Muslim communities that they are trying to hijack. It's a cult of fanatics, I agree, but I don't recognise their cause as a religious one.
OK HBIC mine was just a passing observation based on not very much, so I won't try to defend a position for which I have little evidence and tbh not a great deal of interest in defending. Osbourne is a nasty piece of work IMO and certainly adds to my impression of Cameron's poor judgment.
If you read up on these people they are genuinely religious fanatics. Yes, they attack us to provoke a response because their belief is that a Great War against the unbelievers will be brought about by first spreading their terror tactics to Europe, and then beyond. Needless to say a war that they believe they will win. They kill other Muslims because if they don't happen to share their twisted version of Islam they are also treated as unbelievers, or worse still apostates. It's not a religious cause as we would recognise it, I agree. But in their ideology and in the minds of those who follow that ideology, it is.
Cowardice would have been to not have the referendum for fear of losing. So hardly a coward (did opposition parties promise the same thing - he may not have been PM anyway) . A classic politnik of no integrity ?? AFAIK he may be on record before the 2015 election stating that he would remain as PM if the Tories won the election and the referendum result was Leave.
Cameron was a coward for not facing down the eurosceptics in his own party. He was a coward for not chucking them out of the Tory party. The Conservative party should be closely aligned with other Conservative parties in Europe like Germany's Christian Democrats. Instead the UK Conservative Party is the laughing stock of Europe if it is follows through with Brexit. Germans, the French, the Spanish are all laughing at the UK's decision to leave the UK.
Euroscepticism is not a reason for kicking MPs out of political parties. Should Tony Benn have been kicked out of the Labour party etc ?? "Instead the UK Conservative Party is the laughing stock of Europe if it is follows through with Brexit. Germans, the French, the Spanish are all laughing at the UK's decision to leave the UK." Laughing at a member nations' intent to actually honour a referendum relating to the EU, where the democratic result did not go the way they wanted to ??
Absolutely! The investigation had hardly started before she came down on the internet. They simply don't know enough to make those sort of conclusions at this stage and to make those comments is to hijack this tragedy for political gain - a disgraceful act. A related point is about the interception of emails. What is the difference between opening and reading someone's private email and intercepting and reading their private Royal Mail letters? Yet I bet a lot of people seem to accept the need to intercept electronic communication "for greater security". I wonder how they would feel if it turns out the terrorists communicated by letter - so the Government decides it has to open everyone's letters.
If anyone can show me very high ROI for opening / scanning etc on everyones' letters, I have no problem with it. Your fallacy of course is that the activity is not remotely high ROI compared to the processing of electronic media.
