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Discussion in 'Southampton' started by ChilcoSaint, Feb 23, 2016.

  1. tomw24

    tomw24 Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    As someone who normally votes for the Tories, I hate to admit it but you're right. I want May out as PM so I'm voting Labour.
     
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  2. SaintinSerbia

    SaintinSerbia Annoying Twat

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    You are all treating President Trump as tho he is some kind of idiot or buffoon! He knows, however, how the world's scientific community thinks Climate Change is a hoax. Instead of listening to all those trotskyite EU scientists with degrees from EU universities that are inferior to American Universities you should all read what the finest institution in the world says about climate change. Here is what the US National Academy of Sciences says.... be informed.

    http://nas-sites.org/climate-change/qanda.html
     
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  3. ImpSaint

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    This is not a "right wing press" thing! Like I said the reverse was touted in the 90s. Recessions aren;t normally caused by governments. Government can only get blamed by how they deal with recessions.

    Blair/Brown followed Thatcher economics but extended them. That is the main problem. They were much closer to the city than Thatcher was.

    Agree but the Austerity approach was EU based in general. The EU and IMF were very critical of Osborne in the beginning for not being austere enough, before conceding that it had worked when the UK returned to growth while the EU were stagnant. Then their 6 month memory criticised Osborne for doing austerity in the latter years forgetting that they had been demanding more austerity at the start of the recession.

    The problem the UK had was trying to pin their currency to a devalued Euro based on the Deutschemark. Blair still wanted us to be in the euro afterwards. Kenneth Clarke would have us in the euro like a shot especially back then had he been able to. Lamont and to an extent Lawson were pretty similar in that they were foolish enough to agree to the whole idea of linking to the ERM.

    If you remember Lawson resigned because he fell out with Thatcher's economic advisor Sir Alan Walters. Alan Walters was advising that the ERM was "half baked" and that the pound should find its own level. Echoed by Margaret Thatcher in the HoC when she stated "You can't buck the markets."

    Margaret Thatcher was not the one to blame for Black Wednesday debacle.
     
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  4. ImpSaint

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    The IMF did when the EU did straight after the recession. They criticised Osborne for not being tough enough!! They have changed their tune since then with a complete turnaround in opinion seemingly forgetting what they said back then.

    We keep coming to this UK growth problem. Just as recessions are global, growth really depends on other countries too. If everybody else is struggling then you aren;t going to be the beacon of light with vast growth. UK growth has been better than Germany's for all but the first year post the banking crisis. If Germany is this shining beacon then I would suggest that our economy has recovered just fine in comparison but is struggling to reach a higher figure due to global problems holding lots of countries back.

    Gove is most definitely the one to listen to. HE gets things done and doesn't pander to others trying to please everybody. He will be back soon but like Mandelson will always be a powerplayer and not the top job. Gove was right when he attacked the experts. The immediate crash they predicted hasn't happened. No good saying we haven;t left yet because that is not what they said. They said immediately after a leave vote. They did not say "after we have left the EU." Gove was correct.
     
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  5. ImpSaint

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    They don;t want her to lose the election to dump her. They want to win the election but not by too many, Get Brexit done and then turf her out once Brexit is done.
     
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  6. ImpSaint

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    If he does well he will stay.

    Your latter point is quite a key one though because a lot of people won't vote for Corbyn because of those in the party waiting to pounce. They don;'t want to vote for Corbyn and then find down the line the Blairites starting to claw their way into policy making.
     
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  7. SaintinSerbia

    SaintinSerbia Annoying Twat

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    I believe this was the Brexit plan wasn't it? Win remain but not by too many? Hoping for a repeat!
     
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  8. - Doing The Lambert Walk

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    May being roasted by an audience again, this time on BBC Question Time.

    Audience member asked how we're meant to know what Theresa is really going to do when she does so many high profile U-turns so frequently.

    Crowd roars, cheers and laughs.
     
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  9. ChilcoSaint

    ChilcoSaint What a disgrace Forum Moderator

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    I notice they've put a May supporter near one of the audience mikes, who claps loudly after every sentence she utters. She is telling a lot of things that don't add up, for example who in Parliament exactly was trying to frustrate the Brexit talks?
     
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  10. - Doing The Lambert Walk

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    Dimbleby now picking her up on the fact she is now explaining one of her policies to the audience in a significantly different way to how it is described in the manifesto...
     
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  11. ChilcoSaint

    ChilcoSaint What a disgrace Forum Moderator

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    She is floundering on the NHS. Going for sound bites about mental health, without addressing the question at all.
     
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  12. tomw24

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    May getting torn apart from someone about 30 years her junior.
     
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  13. ChilcoSaint

    ChilcoSaint What a disgrace Forum Moderator

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    The Prime Minister needs a Work Capability Assessment to judge her fitness for the job. At the moment she's failing badly.
     
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  14. - Doing The Lambert Walk

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    This is going well.

     
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  15. - Doing The Lambert Walk

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  16. ChilcoSaint

    ChilcoSaint What a disgrace Forum Moderator

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    Corbyn is on a different intellectual plane entirely from May, he's actually answering the questions for one thing!
     
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  17. - Doing The Lambert Walk

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    A lot less umm'ing, ahhh'ing and errr'ing too - he speaks well, I'll give him that.
     
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  18. thereisonlyoneno7

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    I must admit, he seems more confident in front of the camera and seems to be better thinking on his feet. Is that enough for a PM? Maybe. Is it better than no confidence and umming and arring. Yep I think so. Is it enough to trust to run the country? I can't answer that.


    Edit: My arse hurts from sitting on the fence
     
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  19. Beef

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    Damn the crazy people going on about nukes.
     
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  20. Puck

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    The nuclear question is a reasonable one. Nobody wants to use nuclear weapons but the whole point of them is that they act as a deterrent. If you aren't prepared to use them under any circumstances then they're no longer a deterrent.
     
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