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  1. Albert's Chip Shop

    Albert's Chip Shop Top Grafter
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    To liven up that debate they should have passed a purple dildo along and the person holding the dildo was the only one allowed to speak..... the 'permission' dildo....
     
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  2. BobbyD

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    Not that i didn't think the audience were pretty left wing but Nuttall did get a massive round of applause when he mentioned that there were like 350 jihadists back in the country and we should have ripped up their passports and not let them back in (quite rightly so)
     
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  3. Magpie Fozz

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    An interesting read...

    By Chris Renwick / filmsforaction.org/ May 30, 2017

    Here's what I'm really struggling to understand. All I've ever heard from people, for years, is:

    "bloody bankers and their bonuses"
    "bloody rich and their offshore tax havens "
    "bloody politicians with their lying and second homes"
    “bloody corporations paying less tax than me”
    "bloody Establishment, they're all in it together”
    “it'll never change, there's no point in voting”

    And quite rightly so, I said all the same things.

    But then someone comes along that's different. He upsets the bankers and the rich. The Tory politicians hate him along with most of the labour politicians. The corporations throw more money at the politicians to keep him quiet. And the Establishment is visibly shaken. I've never seen the Establishment so genuinely scared of a single person.

    So the media arm of the establishment gets involved. Theresa phones Rupert asking what he can do, and he tells her to keep her mouth shut, don't do the live debate, he'll sort this out. So the media goes into overdrive with:

    “she's strong and stable”
    “he's a clown”
    “he's not a leader”
    “look he can't even control his own party”
    “he'll ruin the economy”
    “how's he gonna pay for it all?!”
    “AND he's a terrorist sympathiser, burn him, burn the terrorist sympathiser”

    And what do we? We've waited forever for an honest politician to come along but instead of getting behind him we bow to the establishment like good little workers. They whistle and we do a little dance for them. We run around like hypnotised robots repeating headlines we've read, all nodding and agreeing. Feeling really proud of ourselves because we think we've came up with our very own first political opinion. But we haven't, we haven't came up with anything. This is how you tell. No matter where someone lives in the country, they're repeating the same headlines, word for word. From Cornwall to Newcastle people are saying:

    “he's a clown”
    “he’s a threat to the country”
    “she's strong and stable”
    “he'll take us back to the 70s”

    And there's nothing else, there's no further opinion. There's no evidence apart from 1 radio 5 interview that isn't even concrete evidence, he actually condemns the violence of both sides in the interview. There's no data or studies or official reports to back anything up. Try and think really hard why you think he's a clown, other than the fact he looks like a geography teacher. (no offence geography teachers) because he hasn't done anything clownish from what I've seen.

    And you're not on this planet if you think the establishment and the media aren't all in it together.

    You think Richard Branson, who's quietly winning NHS contracts, wants Corbyn in?
    You think Rupert Murdoch, who's currently trying to widen his media monopoly by buying sky outright, wants Jeremy in?
    You think the Barclay brothers, with their offshore residencies, want him in?
    You think Philip Green, who stole all the pensions from BHS workers and claims his wife owns Top Shop because she lives in Monaco, wants Corbyn in?
    You think the politicians, both Labour and Tory, with their second homes and alcohol paid for by us, want him in?
    You think Starbucks, paying near zero tax, wants him in?
    You think bankers, with their multi million pound bonuses, want him in?

    And do you think they don't have contact with May? Or with the media? You honestly think that these millionaires and billionaires are the sort of people that go “ah well, easy come easy go, it was nice while it lasted”?? I wouldn't be if my personal fortune was at risk, I'd be straight on the phone to Theresa May or Rupert Murdoch demanding this gets sorted immediately.

    Because here's a man, a politician that doesn't lie - he can't lie - he could have said whatever would get him votes anytime he wanted but he hasn't. He lives in a normal house like us and uses the bus just like us. He's fought for justice and peace for nearly 40 years. He has no career ambitions. And his seat is untouchable. That's one of the greatest testimonies. No one comes close to removing him from his constituency, election after election.

    His Manifesto is fully costed. It all adds up, yes there's some borrowing but that's just to renationalise the railway, you know we already subsidise them and they make profit yeah? One more time… WE subsidise the railway companies and they walk away with a profit, just try and grasp the level of piss taking going on there.

    Unlike the Tory manifesto with a £9 billion hole, their figures don't even add up.

    And it benefits all of us, young, old, working, disabled, everyone. The only people it hurts are the establishment, the rich, the bankers, the top 5% highest earners.

    Good, screw them. It's long overdue.
     
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  4. Dorty Dogbreath

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    Some fair points but what does it say about Corbyn that so many of his MPs don't like him?
     
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  5. Magpie Fozz

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    Can't say for sure, but I'd hazard a guess that it's because he's different to the standard mold of politician, and that frightens them. Most politicians are self serving opportunists who lie, cheat and backstab each other to get to the top. I've seen nothing of the sort from JC.
     
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  6. ValleyGraduate12

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    <applause><applause><applause>
     
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  7. ValleyGraduate12

    ValleyGraduate12 Aberdude's Puppet
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    They're a bunch of right wing, Blairite ****s <ok>
     
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  8. General Lee Speaking

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    They thought you needed to be closer to the centre of politics to be an electable party and Corbyn was too far to the left. While Corbyn has almost certainly made up some ground on May since the start of the campaign, I'd say they will probably still be proven right come June 8th.
     
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  9. Howe's about that then?

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    That they may have their fingers in some of the pies that Corbyn will put an end to.
    Also, they may have watered doen their beliefs to try and get the win. Jezza has the courage of his convictions
     
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  10. KazakhToon

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    The 'Blairite' MPs have been worried that Corbyn was making Labour unelectable (many Labour supporters have been as well). Then he came out with a proper left-wing manifesto for Britain for the first time in about 25 years, and it's popular and gaining him support - a real alternative for the first time in ages. I think he will win over a good number of those who walked out of his cabinet if he shows he can win and that progressive policies can win elections, which is a good thing because some of the 'Blairites' are better qualified to be cabinet ministers, while Diane Abbot for example is never a Home Secretary in a million years.
     
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  11. General Lee Speaking

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    It's not only that, he would need some of those more 'progressive' MPs on side to pass his legislation so I could see some key names coming in from the cold. Any Labour-lead govt would be in coalition so you'd also expect MPs from other parties involved. I'm not expecting them to win in the end though.
     
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  12. JakartaToon

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    Must admit having read through the manifestos its the first time I would vote for Labour. I am with the people on here that say if I earn enough to qualify for the higher tax bracket I don't mind paying more (actually as a non-UK resident I don't pay any UK tax anyway!). I agree with re-nationalising the railways as its just stupid that foreign companies are taking profits from running our train services. I also agree that the NHS needs a significantly larger spend on frontline services and a serious review of the number of management levels in the organisation. Again all these PPP schemes to keep school and hospital building off the country's books are a joke - we end paying far more for them in the long term and again a lot of the money is going overseas. These are national assets - they should be built by UK companies and paid for by the State. I also think that Trident II is a disgraceful waste of money. I would just come to a deal with the Americans where we subsidise their nukes and use the money saved to properly arm and equip our conventional forces.
     
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  13. GeordieHalfbreed

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    You trust the Americans these days?
     
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  14. KazakhToon

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    I would just get rid of the nukes. It only seems to be an issue in countries that already have them. Angela Merkel doesn't have as part of her election campaign to answer the question 'if the situation calls for it will you start a nuclear war', neither do most European leaders. They manage fine without nuclear weapons, it's not even a point for discussion, and yet it's essential in the UK for our leader to have that willingness to kill everyone to be considered for leadership. Mental.
     
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  15. JakartaToon

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    If you read the details they essentially control our Nuclear arsenal anyway so we don't have much choice. Apparently once the missile leaves our subs its under their control. Might as well just let them control them from the start.
     
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  16. Joelinton's Right Foot

    Joelinton's Right Foot Worth Every Penny

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    The longer this campaign has gone on the more I am moving to the point of view of voting labour instead of spoiling my paper
     
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  17. G4rdToonArmy

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  18. Heed

    Heed well known cheat

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    That's the way, let's get rid of the Nukes, in fact why have armed forces...
    Let's put tens of thousands of people out of work, **** up a community or two on the way.

    Let's also hope that Russian Bear doesn't come calling one day.
     
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  19. KazakhToon

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    ... were you being sarcastic?
     
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  20. Heed

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    Me, being sarcastic, never.
    I haven't a sarcastic bone in my body.
    Ask anyone, they'll tell you....
     
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