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Discussion in 'Southampton' started by ChilcoSaint, Feb 23, 2016.

  1. San Tejón

    San Tejón Well-Known Member

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    No worse than May refusing to put a cap on the dementia tax.
    It's one thing to forget one figure amongst many (yes it is embarrassing) but it is worse, imo, to be deliberately and perpetually evasive, with regards to costing, as May has been both through her manifesto and in interviews since.
    She is asking the electorate to give her a signed, blank cheque.

    Yours decided Southampton
     
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  2. tiggermaster

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    Already voted.. In Croatia next week.
    S*d it
    From Durley
     
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  3. Beef

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    Tbf, has May actually put cost to anything she has said? Corbyn ****ed up but eventually got there. It just seems weird that May doesn't get called out on budget as much as Corbyn, especially by the press.

    Are we going to talk about how unfair the press even BBC are with Corbyn and how easy going most are with May?

    Jeremy Corbyn treated unfairly by press, says David Dimbleby

    Speaking before a Question Time special on Thursday when he will interview the Labour leader and Theresa May, Dimbleby pointed out the rightwing bias of most British newspapers and complained of their “lazy pessimism”.

    In an interview with the Radio Times, Dimbleby said: “I don’t think anyone could say that Corbyn has had a fair deal at the hands of the press, in a way that the Labour party did when it was more to the centre, but then we generally have a rightwing press.”


    https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...ers?CMP=twt_gu

    Even Dimbleby says it.

    Yours a person who will be voting Labour, but doesn't like Corbyn and would be voting Lib Dem if they had a chance. Basically a tactical voter because I hate how the Tories treat the sick and disabled and poor.
     
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  4. SaintinSerbia

    SaintinSerbia Annoying Twat

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    I did - sort of in a round about way
     
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  5. SaintinSerbia

    SaintinSerbia Annoying Twat

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    where you going?
     
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  6. SaintinSerbia

    SaintinSerbia Annoying Twat

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    Are we scared to put up a poll? or is that not allowed? it would allow all those who are going to vote for a party they can't defend in a debate a chance to have their say?
     
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  7. Beef

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    When I first heard the news I thought Corbyn had completely ****ed up, but he just had to double check numbers. Sure he maybe should have been more prepared, but the way the press are going on about it is crazy.
     
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  8. Ian Thumwood

    Ian Thumwood Well-Known Member

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    I think that, deep down, Jeremy Corbyn is against the EU. There are elements such as human rights and environmental matters where I feel he would be supportive but it is interesting reading far Left websites such as SWP's where you get a different flavour of things where they are suggesting that the EU is pro-Capitalist and therefore we are better off out of it. I don't believe that Corbyn's views would be much different. It is a fascinating argument as I would consider myself to be very much pro-European. It is possible to see where Corbyn and McDonnell may be coming from and this is what makes me think that both are inherently sceptical of what it has to offer.

    We are now in a situation whereby we have a Conservative leader who wanted us to remain wishing to be voted in to lead the negotiations to quit the EU whereas Corbyn is trying to win on the basis that he would offer a softer Brexit. I find the whole Brexit scenario fascinating because the fault lines do not fall clearly between the different parties. In my opinion, Corbyn was actually quite cynical insofar that he did not put any effort in campaigning to remain in the EU as it is seen by many factions within the political Left that the EU exists purely to prop up capitalism. The result ultimately worked to his advantage as the Tories were seen to be split and the Liberals too weak to muster a Remain counter-attack. You can sense why the likes of Blair and Mandelson were furious but sticking to backing Brexit serves Corbyn further insofar it ostracises the New Labour faction, All in all, I imagine that the Brexit vote delighted both Corbyn and McDonnell especially as so many traditional Labour voters were also in favour but both have not played their true hand as there is simply no need for them to mention Brexit. Not being a "Remainer" suits their agenda and they can allow the New Labour MP's to be quickly alienated from the Labour voters. The whole Brexit scenario has played superbly in to the hand of the Far Left and I think it was in the Sunday Telegraph last year that there was an article explaining how this suited a Marxist strategy.

    Of course, by seeing to remain on the fence when the wheels eventually come off because the negotiations have broken down or due to the anticipated economic consequences, Labour will obviously and rightly blame the Conservatives. Currently, it is a win / win situation for them and it will remain so just as long as they are not doing the Brexit negotiations.

    Currently the momentum seems to be with Labour but even if they don't win this time around, the likely consequences of Brexit will mean Labour will eventually be elected as our democratic government. I think this is why they need to act quickly after the election to ensure that any New Labour MPs ae deselected as quickly as possible and the new parliamentary candidates are "on message" with both Corbyn and McDonnell. Labour would be foolish to discard Corbyn after 8th June if they do not win as they will never have such a good opportunity to have a genuinely Socialist government as we have now.

    Personally, I feel we should have remained in the EU but tried to change it more radically from within and seen that money was shared out equally amongst all member states. I think that would have helped migration within Europe.
     
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  9. Saints_Alive

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    Just shows how desperate they are becoming, I still think that is in the balance and would not be suprised to see a hung parliament. It doesn't take much to see a swing to either party as we have seen in the past.
     
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  10. San Tejón

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    Here's someone looking at the dementia tax and explaining it in a way that I, and maybe many others, haven't considered.

     
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  11. Saints_Alive

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    I just hope that whoever gets elected tackles the shameful homelessness issue. The numbers have doubled since 2010 and it is heartbreaking to see them on the streets in all weathers.
    I walked past a guy who looked in his 30s the other day who was in a sleeping bag at the bottom of the stairwell of a multi-storey car park, he asked me if I had a bottle of water and I said that I hadn't, I carried on walking and just a few yards on there was a dead rat on the pavement. How is it, in the 21st Century that we can have people living like this?. I read that a large percentage of the homeless have a mental illness, so it is unfair to say they they did it to themselves.
    How about a bit of compassion from our Government for a change...
     
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  12. Beef

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    That and how they treat the sick and disabled. Then you have the foods banks that are now everywhere. Austerity isn't ****ing working.
     
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  13. SaintinSerbia

    SaintinSerbia Annoying Twat

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    Angela Merkel meets Indian Prime Minister (before UK does) Brexit just gets better and better! _96278695_6dce5a47-502a-4f67-95ff-17f4295e53c8.jpg
     
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  14. SaintsCookie

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    Yes he should have known the figures and it's a little embarrassing but it really shouldn't be the first item on the news, at least he had a figure to forget!

    The Tories seem to be saying 'look here, we'll do all these things; but we'll only let you know what we think is the right figure once you've voted for us. But it's OK we'll be fair.'
    Makes it very easy not to forget a figure during an interview.
    Let's not forget no one is going to run a country, or a even a meeting, entirely from memory.
     
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  15. Beef

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    In 2014, 6.5% of the UK population were in persistent poverty, equivalent to approximately 3.9 million people. Persistent poverty is defined as experiencing relative low income in the current year, as well as at least 2 out of the 3 preceding years.

    Based on the latest data, the UK has the third-lowest persistent poverty rate in the EU, but the overall poverty rate for 2014, at 16.8%, was the 12th highest.

    https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulat...heukandeu/2014

    Worse than the "stagnating" economy of France for instance.

    That was in 2014, wouldn't be surprised if it was 20%+ now.
     
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  16. TheSecondStain

    TheSecondStain Needs an early night

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    If they were honest they would say that the country isn't able to afford it - according to their political philosophy. Only they won't because they'd possibly never wield power again. But they've been about the focus groups, and the mentally ill are the first ones they ditch because nobody apparently gives a ****. This could well be a truism, because if people actually did care enough there wouldn't be a Tory government in power and there wouldn't be people sleeping on the streets. The mentally ill would be well looked after, and the physical sick wouldn't be thinking twice all the time about seeing a doctor, but rather letting their lingering symptoms persist to the point where things become properly serious to their long term health.

    Enough is enough. The Thatcher experiment has run its course. This government's version of capitalism doesn't work [if any version really does]. There are far too many losers and ideally there shouldn't be one person sacrificed to make the comfortably off even more comfortable..
     
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  17. Puck

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    I don't like talk of poverty because the word "poverty" conjures up Dickensian images of orphans and starving families in workhouses, and that isn't what the statistic measures. Here's the definition of "poverty" from Beefy's link:

    The Relative poverty level has been pretty stable for the last 20 years or so:

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  18. fatletiss

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    Absolutely hilarious. Nearly everyone who has replied to my post or the content of it, has replied in a defensive manner.

    Proves my point and my dislike of politics.

    Thanks

    Actually it's not funny at all.
     
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  19. TheSecondStain

    TheSecondStain Needs an early night

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    I was suspicious myself. It's actually not like him to be properly unprepared Nobody can have every single piece of data in their heads, but they can have it at their fingertips. A scare story only.
     
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    TheSecondStain Needs an early night

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    What was that FLT.? you might as well link me seeing as you've posted above.
     
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