oh ok so not believing what bullshoite is being fed is now irrational? if you are an ex soldier etc then i can understand your need to do/think as told ours not to question why.....etc etc
Was that a pathetic attempt to get me to react? I think it was. Have a day off, don't be a complete and utter moron all your life teach
Only you know "The truth". Aint that right? You and all the other nutters who believe 9/11 was an inside job etc
Steve Pieczenik (From the transcript) he (claims he) is an infowarrior who coined the phrase "crisis manager", a Havard graduate with a Phd from MIT, a doctor of medicine, a colonel at the age of 32 (was offered 07 promotion later but wanted to go maverick) was sent down to Panama to inform Noriega that the game was up, taught psychological operations at Carlyle War College, mediated between parties during terrorist hostage situations, set up negotiations between Gorbachev and Reagan, worked for (and against) Arafat, Saddam Hussien and Bin Laden, travelled to Cambodia to stop Pol Pot, is on the killing list of the Red Brigade and a lot of other terrorist groups all over the world..... Let's put it this way, it seems he is no shrinking violet. All I am asking here is for verification of the claims that Pieczenik makes above. That is, verification from primary, independent sources (discounting conspiracy-related websites or Pieczenik's own output) I have spent a while searching for same and failed. I can only come to the same conclusion as this writer HERE http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Steve_Pieczenik He's not a "co-author", as far as I can tell. (As I wrote on the relevant Talk page, Clancy appears to have consulted Pieczenik, then given him 2nd-listing credit for a franchise -- but it appears neither men actually wrote the books themselves, but instead farmed out the writing chores to other men (who, in times past, would have been uncredited "ghost-writers"). Aside from that, Googling Pieczenik reveals almost nothing -- virtually all references to him are 9/11 tin sites promoting the Wikipedia article and the Alex Jones interview. Yet the claim is made that he's this important government insider with a long list of credentials spanning Vietnam to the Reagan Administration!--Mike18xx (talk) 10:04, 5 May 2011 (UTC) ---------------------------- Steve Pieczenik, the well-known OP-CENTER "co-author" with Tom Clancy, made a very interesting comment on the condition of USN carriers. He is suppossed to have been high-up behind the scenes working for the US government in various international crises. He claims to have been instrumental in taking down the Soviet Union, and says he was the Ryan character in Clancy's novels. Ok. I heard him on an internet talk show, and he said that the US Navy carriers were in terrible shape, along with other significant navy vessels. He did not elaborate, and made many strong comments quickly and without elaboration. This was maybe 2-3 weeks ago. I checked out Pieczenik's CV as far as I could, and it was fulsome indeed. And he claims to have been offered a rear admiracy at age 38, which he turned down. Anyone out there in the fleet who knows carriers, and what exactly Pieczenik was talking about so publically when he said the carriers are in bad shape? --------------------------- If you look at the "biography" on his own website http://www.stevepieczenik.com/bio.htm there's no mention of his ever setting foot on an aircraft carrier, or any other ship for that matter. And anyone who stamps "Top Secret" on his own bio is waaayy too full of himself --------------------------------- This guy helped Aldo Moro... Any more questions? http://www.militaryphotos.net/forum...f-US-Carriers-Steve-Pieczenik-comments/page2& Greetings Sir or Ma/am, My name is Triforcharity, and I am looking for information on a former Deputy Assistant Secretary of State Stephen R. Pieczenik. I cannot find any information about him, or his time with the Department of State. If you happen to know of any information, I would love to see what you might find. Thank you for your time and consideration in this matter. Kind Regards, "Triforcharity" Originally Posted by Historian Dear Mr. Triforcharity, Thanks for your query. Department records indicate that Dr. Steve R. Pieczenik served as a Deputy Assistant Secretary for Management in the period 1978-1979, although we do not have the precise start and end dates of this service. We do not have additional information about his portfolio or tenure, but I hope you find this information useful. Regards, PA History Mailbox Staff -------------------------------- Pieczenik said that the decision to launch the hoax now was made because Obama had poor poll numbers and recently announced his intention to run for re-election; and that the the birther issue was âblowing up in his face.â As an aside, it was a conspiracy that Obama proved false when he showed his actual birth certificate, but that is beside the point, apparently. -------------------------------- "Pieczenikâs assertion that Bin Laden has been dead for years is also backed up by a myriad of other intelligence professionals and heads of state, including Former CIA officer and hugely respected intelligence & foreign policy expert Robert Baer, as well as former FBI counter-terror head Dale Watson, who have all gone on the record to state that Osama was dead long before the raid on his alleged Pakistani compound earlier this month. And what were Dale Watson's comments in 2002 "Is (Bin Laden) alive or is he dead?" Mr Watson said. "I am not really sure of the answer... I personally think he is probably not with us anymore but I have no evidence to support that." http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/2135473.stm ----------------------------------- http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=208519 The man is a loonball of the L Ron Hubbard variety.
Was there such an organisation as Al-Queda or did the Yanks make it up to simplify who the enemy was by giving them a collective name? I've heard several times they made it up so the thick Yank public could try and understand &perhaps guys like this use this to aid their conspiracy theories
This guy is a nutter, the guy whose show on which he was interviewed is a nutter and anyone who believes their fantasy stories is a moron. Google this guy Piecznik and all there is to back up his claims is his own website (Top Secret) and Wiki which was heavily re-edited after he gave his interview. I think it's a giant hoax, his name is "Peacenik" ffs. He was a Colonel in athe Army at 32 and a Rear Admiral in the Navy at 38
What is his name got to with anything? He is of polish decscent I think. You are enittled to your own opinion on the guy although its safe to say, I doubt he cares. If everything about him is true, then there is hardly likely to be alot of info on the net about him. His involvement at high levels in government is fact and from listening to the guy, I have no reason to doubt him or anything he says. If you can prove that he is "a loonball of the L Ron Hubbard variety" then I would like to see it. Until then, that statement is just a wild conspiracy theory with no evidence to back it up. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0682111/bio bio from IMDB, clearly not a conspiracy website He is a Harvard-educated psychiatrist with an M.D. from Cornell University and a Ph.D. in International Relations from M.I.T. Dr. Pieczenik served four presidential administrations as Deputy Assistant Secretary of State, International Crisis Manager, and Hostage Negotiator.
Its funny that Dev with no qualifications of any note is saying that someone with a MD in psychiatry is a loonball. The guy is the real deal, deal with it.
"If everything about him is true, then there is hardly likely to be alot of info on the net about him". Are you serious? Are you serious? WHy is that info on his own website, wiki and IMDB if it's all hush hush? Surely if he was Deputy Assistant Secretary of State then there would be some record of that? Or is that a secret too? He's a ****ing delusional fruitloop. Same as Alex Jones who's a bigger bum than 2 arses. Check out ALex Jones and the Owl Building. [video=youtube;dtaPlBY1ylA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtaPlBY1ylA[/video] Aye, he's credible right enough, that's defintely an Owl.
whos talking about alex jones? Bohemian Grove, they do worship a big owl though. Its there on video, and the owl is also seen in the overhead view of the streets of washington, along with numerous other masonic symbols. Alex Jones is too much for me, its hard to find the real truth in amongst the madness with him. Dev, you calling someone with and MD and a PHD a fruitloop means nothing.
9/11 an inside job? when i read about all the coincidences from that whole weekend I actually find it hard to believe it wasn't. I don't think they'd have the balls for it, it's pretty obvious though that they knew it was gonna happen and let it. Although to brainwash a few fundamentalists to do it wouldn't be that hard, brainwashing is easy once you know a few tricks.
the problem here is the tag 'conspiracy theory' everything that goes against certain held principles is labelled CT i personally dont give shoite about pieznik However there are questions i like to ask and answers that dont make sense for example i know that the pakistani parliament had agreed to US drone bombing, and the killing of OBL. The deal was america do it, and pakistan would 'create a fuss' to keep the populas quiet conspiracy theory? sounds like it. however there was video evidence and a story in the guardian 9/11 - even the germans did a report on how the official story didnt make sense. the yanks went ape, the germans 'put it away'. the report was compiled by Bundesamt für Verfassungsschutz [German domestic secret service] as well as the BND [Bundesnachrichtendienst, German foreign secret service]. it gave details of the attacks before they were committed, who was involved etc and that th US response was 'we know'. the authenticity of the report has never been denied bullshoite? maybe. as for the plane into the pentagon, a gnat cannot fart near the pentagon so how did a plane get through. read the level of security etc near there and you realise that it was a hell of 'luck' that the plane made it. and where was the debris? and why DID all the cctv shut down? again maybe bullshoite, all it would take is an enquiry or testing of the metal etc, but wait that was sold to china before it cooled so you see there are just too many what ifs and buts and finding a guys passport in debris that the planes blackbox didnt survive, purlease?
Are you saying that because this guy has a PHD and a Doctorate in Medicine that makes it impossible for him to be a fantasist? His wild claims about his background as an iternational hostage negotiator, a Rear Admiral in the US navy and Lt Colonel in the US Army at roughly the same time cannot be backed up. I have read the stuff about him on James Randi's site and although there is evidence to back up some of his claims the rest of his so called resume cannot be backed up by anyone except himself on his own website? There is however one gaping hole in his conspiracy theory about Bin Laden. Why if he died in 2001 did Al Qaeda only appoint a new leader immediately after his reported death at the hands on Seal Team 6 this year? Why would Al Qaeda hand the US a massive PR boost by allowing Barrack Obama to claim the US killed him? Why did Al Qaeda not simply say that the Yanks were talking ****e and that OBL died in 2001? (Reuters) - Egyptian-born doctor and surgeon Ayman al-Zawahri is al Qaeda's second-in-command expected to succeed Osama bin Laden following his killing in a firefight with U.S. forces in Pakistan. Zawahri has been the brains behind bin Laden and his al Qaeda network, and at times its most public face, repeatedly denouncing the United States and its allies in video messages. http://uk.reuters.com/article/2011/05/02/us-zawahri-ayman-newsmaker-idUSTRE7410RF20110502 Also let's not forget that Piecznik said on that interview that Obama had to pretend that he had eventually "Got" Obama because he needed a boost in the polls because his birth certificate issue was "Blowing up in his face". Shortly after that interview Obama duly produced his Birth Certificate which makes a mockery of the good Dcoctor's claims does it not?
