Probably not far from the truth..... Far too often, being British, never mind English, is seen as secondary to being muslim. It's like an enemy within..... As an aside, the wife has just mentioned that there's a vigil at The Angel tomorrow evening for Courtney Boyle and Philip Tron and the other victims. Do you ever across Low Fell theses days?
In regards to nationality - it has often been used as a mode to establish states based around a Muslim majority - Pakistan, Bosnia, Kosovo, etc the latter are really just Albanians supplanted in a different area. Have a read of the Islamic declaration by Izetbegovic for little insight into the mindset.
Nothing much changes, I tend to stick to Wreka or the Miller nowadays. It's horrendous mate, I don't know if its true or not, but, from what we've heard, there wasn't much left of them.
This is the exact purpose of a double tap. Everyone knows the score. Them ****s like to leave their calling card. So do we. This state of play is quite close, believe me.
This might be true in some cases - but it's certainly not universally true. After all, the people in the community where the bomber came from reported the guy FIVE times. Still, I can see how the pressure of betraying a community leads to suspicions of terror being under reported. But that means we need stick AND carrot to try and change that mindset. If people risk ostracisation from their community for reporting this stuff then they need to know that the wider British community is a) grateful and b) will welcome them. If I were a muslim, reading some of the stuff on this thread would make me less likely to report any suspicions I had. Treat people like the enemy and they will act like one.
I think the British people, in general, are an incredibly tolerant bunch. Dubious, yes, but massively tolerant. Turn the clock back twenty or thirty years and ask yourself if this is where you'd like our country to be...at the mercy of young bombers from a different background and religion? I put the blame for all of this squarely at the feet of politicians and policy makers. Corbyn is right, to a degree, in that we should be careful of where we involve ourselves abroad. What he should have said, really, is that while we have a large and vocal muslim community in this country we should not involve ourselves abroad. Well what if it is an absolute must to involve ourselves abroad? Should we ask the muslim community first? Its' barmy. Mind, I really do hope we keep out of this **** abroad. Pull the drawbridge up and let the others get on with it. But then we'll be ridiculed for not getting involved!
Have to say I'm not that keen on any anti Islam stance. I do not believe in any religion or god. I find the whole premise of it absolutely comical in this day and age given what we know. These religious books were written by undeveloped people so long ago, it's just comical. However I respect that for whatever reason some people still believe this ****. You just have to get on with it. However I fully support all efforts to have people on this 'watchlist' imprisoned or deported. If it results in a few being unfairly treated, that is a price I'm willing to pay for the greater good. What I would say is that if anybody's religion be that Islam, Christianity or otherwise means they can't abide by basic human rights, can't accept people of different skin colour, can't accept people of different religions, can't accept homosexuals, then they don't belong in our multicultural society. It is time to make a stand and move on from pre historic views on the world. Either these religions need to adapt to modern life to accept the above or they need to go the distance. Yes that in itself is not accepting a different point of view, could be seen as restricting free speech, but personally I believe that there are some basic human principles that need to be abided by. And yes I believe it needs to stetch further than religion too. Racist movements, anti homosexual movements, anything that goes against basic rights I don't want in this multicultural society. So for me either integrate properly and accept our rules or be deported or imprisoned. We have introduced laws on these things but we now need to alter them to find a stricter way of imposing them for the good of everyone. If people just want to live in a world of hate and ill feeling then I don't want them here. The problem with the above though is the sheer ****ing volume of numbers because of our open doors for years allowing people to come here who have no wish to integrate, who we haven't had the controls in place to ensure they integrate, and through us not truly stamping out the evil that was already within. We are too ****ing nice about everything. Inevitably nice guys get ****ed over.
We can't turn the clock back mate, our immigration policy has been outrageous. That and the odd war or two in the middle east. The authorities in this country are now falling over themselves, desperate to keep things in check.
This. The problem is one of numbers and integration. The micro communities that exist in our towns and cities are the issue. I remember when I went to Derby for our game earlier in the season. The Normanton Road area was like being in a third world islamic country. There were clear demarcated community lines with the rest of the city and you felt like an outsider because you were white. They should be integrating with the rest of us. If you can't accept British values, British history, British culture, show tolerance towards other faiths, colours or sexual orientation then kindly **** off. This country spent decades trying to get rid of racism and discrimination. We don't need these people trying to destroy all that is good about the country. Extremism is a cancer. If you want sharia law, then go live in Saudi Arabia.
b ^^ This, both of them. Immigration has always been a numbers games. The only time any one felt safe talking about immigration and numbers was when the Poles all arrived. Suddenly, because they were white (and Christian) it was deemed ok to discuss numbers. I think we've been brainwashed to a degree. You talk about numbers and the Asian communities and you are branded with the dreaded R word.
I agree with you - I think the British way of life is one of tolerance, where we can absorb other cultures and make them part of our own. We've done it with the Hugenots in the 18th Century, Ashkenazi Jews in the 19th, West Indians, Indians & Pakistanis, in the 20th century and now Somalis, Syrians and the like. They've brought some of their own culture with them (Fish and Chips, Tikka Masala anyone?) but by and large have assimilated into UK culture and made it better and stronger for it. I also agree we need to be aware of the *scale* of this - and that it's not racist to do so. But we should keep a sense of proportion - Muslims as a whole make up 4% of the UK (and that encompasses a very broad range of cultures). Hardly overwhelming. We have people sharing images of milkmen on their round during the blitz. That's a period within living memory where 150 people were being killed *every day* by bombs. We could have stopped that bombing at any time. The cost would have been becoming part of a police state, with no rule of law, accepting extra judicial killings & racist ideology. There was no question of surrender. Now we're seriously debating changing our way of life because of two bombings in 12 years. Even on this thread, we've been discussing unlimited surveillance, detention without trial on grounds of race, SAS death squads. I say we damn their eyes, keep calm and carry on. This is a great country. Just like those before them, the Muslims in the UK will assimilate if we let them. Life in the UK is far better than life under an Islamist dictatorship. The kids born in this country are beginning to realise that. *Their* kids will grow up *knowing* it. The faster we encourage that process, the faster terrorism will wither and die. That approach will take courage. But if there's a people who have shown that courage in the past, it's the British. I hope they still have it.
This all day long. I would just add my point above - Integration. Those that refuse to integrate, a minority, should be shipped out. The muslims I know [ a fair few being from South Shields], are some of the nicest people I have ever met. They also abhor these extremist morons. South Shields is an example of a successfully integrated community. We have had arabs and muslims from other countries here for decades. We generally get along and there is no 'them' and 'us' community. The rest of the UK can be like that. It just needs proper control.
I understand your sentiments mate but I am hugely dubious of where we are going as a country. I'm Geordie, English and British through and through (although the Britishness is slowly being eroded), I can't understand the desire, or rush to become a totally 'multicultural' country. Call me selfish, I've enjoyed the status quo of our country for most of my life, why would l want to hand over all that history and our future to people from a different culture, background or religion. Because, unchecked, we will become the minority in this country, eventually. Again, I'm not having a go, just trying to understand, as ever. I (and I'm sure many others) have fears. * I think muslims make up more than 4% of our country, by the way.
What is 'proper control' though Windy and why should be have it? That's almost like its being forced upon us. It seems false. Just saying mate. I think immigration is needed, just not mass immigration.
Sorry - I meant controlled immigration. As in controlling the numbers to allow those already here to integrate.
You know, if we scratch below the surface we will probably find that most of us have got a family tree that stretches all over the place.....Ireland, Scotland, England, Northern Europe....etc. We are all immigrants.
