I did, earlier when I mentioned the moon god, the crescent and the kaaba. Mohamed was a pagan, of pagan stock until he heard voices.
He was reported by multiple people on multiple occasions over a number of years, apparently. Two people reported him five years ago, after he made worrying claims about suicide bombers at college. There's no way that he wasn't being monitored at some point.
It's exactly this kind of response that makes me want to call you ignorant, which will the draw the usual accusation of arrogance on my part Where are you getting this stuff from?
It gets worse if you hear all that is being said Apparent his own family highlighted his tendencies and his father, who got asylum Herr due to being anti Gaddafi was part of a group that are apparently alqaida affiliates The focus here is all wrong if this is true, videos if him in that brown thobe and chanting have become the focus but these things are in no way radical related
In a nutshell we don't apply the same principles to each other whereas in reality we end up in the same place if we are honest Yet somehow my I don't know is laughable whereas yours is accepted When I say yours I speak in general sense than you PNP
These claims have been refuted for decades to prove the false claims but you are not interested in the answers mate...you only get those claims in places like answering-islam which has a clear agenda and there to listen....
I'm getting 'this stuff' from the koran. (18:86) Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it setting in a spring of dark mud,
Justbti be clear here are you referring to the story of dhul Qurnain here? Be honest do you even know what I said or will you desperately Google like with the shahadah?
I think that the videos probably give some insight into his mental state. People just don't do that, do they? There's a lot of talk about him falling in with gangs, then being sent away to Libya and/or Syria. His father sounds extremely dodgy right now and his claims of his son's guilt seem starkly in contrast to everyone else. Perhaps that's just natural for a parent, though. Time will tell, I guess.
They are the words as translated. You can refute the interpretation, but that only supports my point that an almighty, sending through revelations to clarify, wouldn't leave such room for ambiguity.
I'm quoting the translation of a line in the koran, that seems ambiguous to say the least. Hardly a sign of omniscience.
So you don't know And there is the problem This is no different to the kill them where you find them that islamophobes use ignoring the linea before and after Give it a rest bub you're out of your depth here
Are you referring to science not knowing the origins of the universe and the religious not knowing the origins of god? The question of god's origin is only asked as a response to god being used as an answer to the beginning of the universe. You're simply pushing the question back one step and inserting another unknown in it's place. How does that help? We are in the same place, you're right. Science and religion don't know the origin of the universe. Science accepts that it doesn't and tries to find the answer, though.
It's irrelevant if I know or not. The line is a given quotation that is claimed to be the almighty clarifying things, and his answer would barely scrape a gcse pass mark.
I assume you read then text in its origin rather than putting all yours eggs in one basket? Not everything is literal. When someone refers to sun setting in a place, does it actually mean in literal in that place? No, thats general understanding and how its spoken but you trying to present it as something else. When you want to understand something go to the people that know or learn for yourself, instead of sheikh google. You jump from one to another all the time.
Tbh if you were doing the GCSE it would get the grade U Your basis is wrong and unless you can be bothered to put forward the right argument its pointless breaking it down for you
Don't bother bro he hasn't a clue. If he doesn't even know what it relates to how can he know what it means
I can't read old Arabic, so I checked several variations on English translations from Islamic web sites. If your god can't explain himself any clearer than that, and the number of different discussions on what it really means are testament to that, then you really need to wonder about their divinity. Surely, they of all people would know how to have it written in a way their creations would understand. It's not as if it's an isolated line, there are plenty of other examples of bits that the scholars themselves debate. The fact it needs other scholars and explanations is surely a good reason to have serious reservations about the claims of divinity. A scientific approach would certainly result in doubts on the validity of the divinity.
Origins of primordial soup, big bang etc etc are also used to answer the same question and certain liberties are taken without second thought. The probability as someone put forward earlier for some of that is higher than an alien race exists and we are an experiment
