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  1. The Ginger Marks

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    Cool <ok>
     
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    This is pretty much the line to God too. We simply don't have the knowledge to know his origins
     
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  3. The Ginger Marks

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    Or to know if he exists.
     
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  4. DMD

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    Yes it does.
     
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    The point I am making is a little different to what I think you are suggesting

    The point for me is that if we look at the arguments put forward that are against and for science are similar if not same for both presenting the same problems or raising the same questions
     
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    Does what?

    Let's go through it
     
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  7. The Ginger Marks

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    Same for the questions of God I'd imagine.
     
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    So updates on the bomber show he was not only filmed by neighbours 2 years ago but friends family and mosque raised concerns multiple times and he still carried on as normal

    Hope we can put to rest that no one raised the alarm from the Muslim communities. One mosque banned him a couple of months back
     
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    Out of interest did the mosque notify the authorities about this?
     
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    But people offer their holy books as evidence of his existence, despite inaccuracies in them. Seems odd that a god would make such errors, or omissions and a lack of clarity for such an important book.
     
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    That's my point

    People use probability as a way to say no God yet theories they put forward mathematically don't stand up but its not argued

    The question who made God can't be answered apart from we don't know but theories based in time are prevelant, yet the don't know answer is somehow unacceptable. similarly where science can't provide answers people accept we don't know and provide theories that have to be true when obviously not

    Insincerity springs to mind
     
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    Didsbury have said they did, the other mosque just banned him for aggressiveness on another issue

    Someone mentioned his family also did but not sure if that is confirmed
     
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  13. DMD

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    Draws from other religions and beliefs, some of which are pagan, or have pagan roots.
     
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    Some "People" may. Let's not generalise

    Also would be good if you mentioned these "errors" and their sources
     
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  15. DMD

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    Science will say "we don't know yet" and offer theories to be falsified, religion says "god did it".
     
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  16. thefanwithnoname

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    The abrahamic religions never denied their roots in each other

    The pagan element can be true for some based on what happens now but to say it was there from the beginning is conjecture that needs proof, which you haven't provided
     
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    Again some people may religion itself doesn't

    As I said earlier the very basic shahadah in Islam disproves this point
     
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  18. thefanwithnoname

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    Anyway food time

    More later
     
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  19. DMD

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    It's hardly generalising, it's making a clear claim.

    Okay, bit by bit if you like. The book is the revelation of god. In it, he reveals that the sun sets in a spring of murky water. Not 'reflected' in, but there, in the precise place it always is.
     
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  20. DMD

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    Religion doesn't 'say' anything. It's proponents advocate 'faith'.

    I had to google shahadah, because it looks like a line from a 70's pop song, it just seems to support what I said, that the basic response has to be the circular argument that 'god did it' because the book says so.
     
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