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  1. The Ginger Marks

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    There are three theories Magnetic monopole, Horizon & Flatness
     
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  2. DMD

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    I'm assuming you were replying to the question on the origin of matter. I've looked at a few things around it, and one of the (many) bits I find intriguing, is that it happened in a 'place' without time.

    If the answer to 'who made everything' is 'god did it', other than 'who made god' it begs the question, 'where was god when he made it?'
     
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  3. The Ginger Marks

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    Yes, time as we perceive it started 15 billion years ago with the big bang.
     
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    Do we know of any instances where something came from nothing? to then explain big bang as the reason and science proves it is a fallacy in itself.

    Science only explains how things work and God is an explanation of why things exist, both co-exist there is not contradictions from each other. The argument of God of the gaps and absence of evidence is evidence of absence doesn't apply either.

    To claim that because of science religion is decreasing is a fallacy in itself that is used by a lot of Atheist, the scientific method was from a Muslim and others have been theist as well, its only in the recent times atheist contributed towards it.
     
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  5. DMD

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    Aye, there are some classic bits of work on 'time' that are seriously mind bending and our perception of it is so simplified, it's probably wrong, but still works. Examples include, experiments that show that actions we take now, can have an effect in things that have already happened.
     
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    Theories to what that DMD has a mind? its just a theory I still don't believe he has a mind <laugh>






    just messing as you put that in the wrong post:emoticon-0140-rofl:
     
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  7. The Ginger Marks

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    Science also tells us how things came to exist.
     
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    That still doesn't answer it though, these are theories until someone else comes along and claims something else. The question remains regardless what theories people come up with, does something just happens without there being nothing...
     
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  9. DMD

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    As far as I'm aware, Roger Bacon, Francis Bacon were not muslim, and neither were Copernicus or Galileo.

    There is a body of research that proposes various theories that demonstrate how the universe can be created from 'nothing'. As yet, they've stood up to the early stages of the scientific method.
     
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  10. PleaseNotPoll

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    We don't have any examples of nothing, nor does Big Bang theory suggest that anything came from nothing.
    It says that the universe was essentially compressed into a singularity and then expanded.

    God isn't an explanation for anything. Putting God as an answer to any question merely avoids it or creates new ones.
    That says nothing about the possibility of a god existing.

    I don't know why you're claiming that the God of the gaps argument doesn't apply, by the way.
    It's exactly what you're saying.
    If a question doesn't have an answer? God did it.
    How does that not apply here?
     
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    My view for what it is worth - and how I've replied when asked by my kids (who I encourage to form their own opinions).

    Is the possibility of an omnipotent being that created the world (the universe) and 'life' any more fantastical than the possibility that random atomic particles collided in the vacuum of space at some point in the history of the universe forming the worlds and 'life' ?

    The one certainty I do believe in is this - if there really is a God he/she/it/they would not approve of the life so lovingly created killing each other in the name of that deity ... God should also be immune to insults and people that don't believe in God ... because after all you are God and created everything - there is nothing to prove and you do not need to maintain a 'rep' ...

    I'm also of the view that we should all have God's ear directly if God exists - we shouldn't need intermediaries to converse with God ... are we not the children of God?

    That's me.
     
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  12. DMD

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    If I didn't have a mind of my own, I'd be reduced to relying for 'guidance' on an edited version of some illiterates ramblings about the voices in his head. You need to find a new tactic, that one fell on its arse before it got going, and is highlighting your seemingly inspired limitations. :emoticon-0105-wink:
     
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    He's referring to Ibn Al-Haytham.
     
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  14. The Ginger Marks

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    Not in it's entirety but no ones knows for sure but it sure did happen because you are here asking the question as are we all. What's your take on what was before mate?
     
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    No that's not what I am doing here and using god of the gaps, we are limited in our knowledge and only know what has been revealed through revelations and science, never claimed I have all the answers I am not god.

    The argument of god of the gaps is used as though soon as science comes up with something proves the belief of god wrong, it doesn't.
     
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    The fables thing, Adam and Eve, Noah's Ark I thought it was fully understood that they are fables and nothing more, they are stories that guide people in the way that they should live their lives. They didn't happen, I thought that was a given?

    Not sure if Islam had the same thing.
     
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    You're saying that God is a good answer, because you didn't think that there was another one.
    That's literally what God of the gaps is.

    Nobody's saying that scientific answers disprove the existence of any gods, as that's basically impossible.
    That's not how things work, though. You don't disprove the existence of things, you prove them.
     
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  18. Highburyal

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    He probably hasn't heard of him before...damn Spud knows it and I am ashamed:emoticon-0127-lipss
     
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  19. Highburyal

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    Yes you prove things but then you have to have a measuring cup so to speak, what is considered a proof...
     
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  20. PleaseNotPoll

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    In Christianity, it depends on your interpretation of the Bible.
    Some people think that it's all literally true. Most don't.
    The same stories (A&E, Noah) are in the Quran. I don't think that Muslims are supposed to see them as fables.
     
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