Honour killings: http://www.thedebrief.co.uk/news/politics/uk-honour-killings-20160964920 There have always been violent criminals in this country, but honour killings are part of a culture. Acid throwing has never been part of UK culture.
Here's another example of what I mean. The 7/7 suicide bombers and this current bomber were all born in England. Did that change them? Did they take decent values like most of the rest of us. No - there is something in their DN... make-up that means they are capable of trying to kill or injure as many innocent people as possible while taking their lives at the same time. I can't think of an indigenous English suicide bomber - can you?
You are one of the most precise people I know in your use of written language. That's why I was so disappointed by it. Off to the pub now.
I said Honour killings were part of an imported culture. I've never disagreed with that, i've said that its more to do with the pakistani and indian culture (both of which have high degrees of faith in muslim and hinduism). That is more to do with being raised in that part of the region than to do with their religion. I would in no way want to import that culture and we must eradicate it as it's backwards. However I have looked at your website and here are the numbers: 18 cases in the UK recorded over 4 years and 11,000 cases of honour crime so 2525 a year (obviously anything above 0 is bad but not all humans are good). There's around 4 million of indian/pakistani/bangladeshis in the UK and we know a lot of these were probably bought up in the indian or pakistani culture. Homicides alone last year was 517 of which 186 were women. So taking the 4.2 cases out every year for honour killing, we still have 182 women dying. I'm going out on a limb here to say most of those are probably down to some form of domestic violence/revenge killing (like raoul moat). What i can't back up is that is white on white or other ethnicities. last year alone there was 1 million domestic abuse cases alone with 80% of them violent so 800,000 last year to put a perspective of how predominantly men treat women (both sexes abused). So to say it's prevalent and been imported and assimilated into Britain is a little over the top. It's still too much but compared to a normal trend in society, i think you are slightly over egging it. With remarks to the domestic violence etc and my description of eastern europe, i was trying to demonstrate that 40 years ago, us Brits weren't too civilised. In fact we still have too many 'bad' guys today. Acid throwing hasn't been part of our culture, but it has been creeping in and is being done by british people as well. https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...offences/yearendingmarch2015/chapter2homicide Just to re-iterate it was more than you are blaming islam which i'm arguing against, not the culture of people from other countries. Your article also backs this up "While tabloids would have you believe that honour killings have long been associated with Islam, the practice has also occurred in Sikh, Hindu and Christian communities as well." I think as long as people have assimilated here then that is fine. However how to determine this is a different matter especially now that many have made their lives here.
Where did I say that? In my post #31, I was talking about honour killings and revenge attacks in Pakistan, where a lot of our immigrants come from. But we are seeing honour killings here, for the first time ever. Is that progress?
FFS! Yep, it's all OUR fault. I've seen racism to Asian people and I've received racism from Asian people. Many things piss me off and offend me, but I've never felt the need to go and kill people as a result. Islam needs reformation and we need to get very tough on this issue for the sake of our kids' futures.
Of course honour killings are not progress and is medieval behaviour. To be honest i hadn't even looked at the figures for these and i'm surprised that theres a lot more **** going on to be worrying about than the honour killing slant. I was also demonstrating how 40 years ago we were pretty badward (not as backward as honour killing) but we treated our women (some still do i believe) not as equals. Anyway, i think we are digressing, short of stopping immigration totally (no more bad people can enter), deporting everyone who has a criminal record, in our mental institutes and/or shows dodgy behaviour i'm not sure what we can do
I note not many people are reacting to Bob's posts from his first hand experiences. Best to ignore it eh and hope it goes away?
Nothing wrong with what Bob wrote. I missed it for what its worth. I don't think anyone is siding with those, no one has come out and told Bob he's wrong. What do you think should be done? Personally i would look more into the activities of these guys and if i see radicalisation i'd probably send them off.
We have to look seriously at how much Islamic immigration we allow going forward. It may sound class-ist but professional classes are probably the best bet since they are often educated in a Western manner and with similar ethics.
Question to you, how do you class someone of islamic immigration. I was all for brexit but there has been a giant migration of muslims and different cultures into europe who will eventually be given passports and allowed to come here. Likewise theres a large contingent of islamists in the UK, most are probably harmless but there are some who will be radicalised. Surprisingly a lot of the ones you hear about in the news are ex university students (whether graduated or drop out) with most lacking opportunity (or maybe they just don't fit in and don't get career jobs - i might have made this up) and i would say sub 30s (lacking maturity?).
It's difficult. You start by doing a study of the suicide bombers here, and those radicalised that have been caught before carrying out atrocities, to see what their backgrounds are, and what the common features are.
I'm not saying anyone on here in any way condones what has happened and I'm also not saying I have any answers. This has hit me very hard and I'm not sure why, other than the obvious fact that so many youngsters were slain. I do think we need to get much tougher on this and if Muslims feel persecuted then I'm afraid that's an unfortunate by-product, but if more children are spared because of it I won't lose any sleep. I'm not in favour of internment, but if there is solid evidence that someone is a danger, then that person should be removed from the streets. Further, if there are very strong suspicions about a person, that person should be tagged and certainly all returning jihadists returning from fighting for IS should definitely be tagged if we are unable by law to prevent them re-entering the Country. MI5 and other security services are very stretched and can't track all suspects so tagging could be a help in that regard. I would also like to see ALL faith schools banned. We also need to clamp down on the liberal ****ers in California who own the huge corporations like facebook and won't ban some of the hate preaching on there. This applies to the whole of the internet too. I wonder whether we may see any of these things over the next 50 years: 1) Muslim only Countries. 2) Islam banned in non-Muslim Countries. 3) All religious practice banned in all public areas. I'm not saying I advocate any of these 3 things, but we can't continue as we are imo.
US Security Services have apparently passed confidential information, given to them by British MI, to the New York Times which is publishing text and photographs. There's going to be a row, and I'm betting Theresa won't allow Donald to hold her hand for a while
Wrong! My wife worked with one of the doctors who tried to blow up Glasgow Airport...that educated enough for you? Apparently he was a really good doctor too, and had had a good record at the hospitals he had worked at. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...ofile-of-airport-terrorist-Bilal-Abdulla.html There's no telling where these guys get radicalised, and the sooner we root out the radical Imams who preach all their hatred of British/Western society amd ship them off to some desert hellhole where there can rot the better. I'm all for integration of society, and I believe that we have a far better record of that in Scotland than is the case in most English communities, but there are still pockets of radicals. This ****e has to end somehow, but it's going to be a long drawn-out process - Christianity has a 300-400 year head-start on Islam, a religion still stuck in the middle ages, and refusing to move with the times. An interesting program on C4 last week about ISIS showing how the Caliphate was started in Constantinople, and was then destroyed centuries later by the Ottoman Empire, and how Napoleans' occupation of Egypt lead to a partial westernization of aspects of the Islamic faith - all issues that have lead to the current uprising.
Yes, but that doctor was pretty much an exception, so it doesn't make that policy wrong. As I said in a later post, it's difficult, but lessons can be learned from the backgrounds and experiences of those who have tried or tried and failed to commit atrocities here. Part of the problem is that many Pakistanis here don't actually like Britain and blame it for all the problems in their own country. I've heard that several times from former Muslims that have left the faith because they don't like the message. Security Services aren't going to get much help from that kind of community, although it must also be acknowledged that some Muslim sources have been helpful in identifying problem individuals
Shameful but not isolated. In London go to Bethnal Green, Tooting, Southall and several other areas and you would think you were in a foreign country. There are so many ghettos throughout the country that have developed because political correctness prevented any action being taken to stop their spread. We have sleepwalked into this nightmare and it isn't going away any time soon. It was polled recently that 25% of Muslims are 'sympathetic' to Daesh, I would say that is a serious underestimate. Unless these communities start cooperating with the security services the problem will never go away...
It is sobering, I'd just got back from seeing Iron Maiden in Birmingham when i heard the news. The chaos of just leaving a huge venue under normal circumstances really puts into context how truly terrifying it must have been for those poor people at the MEN. Just unimaginable.
