Commemorating the dead who gave their lives for sure but the conflict no longer exists. Its only religion that spans centuries and spreads it twisted hate and that's all of them.
I have to say you are wrong on that as science and technology advances religion is not actually diminishing, its the other way round, also science and advancement of it was from the theist/ditsiest not the atheist, they only came along the last 3-4 hundred years, science only explains how something exists not why...
Agreed. The reason that there's such a **** storm is as much to do with the West's interference in other countries affairs as it is to do with a narrow band of nutters who follow one particular faith. Take Palestine for example (and some might argue the root of the trouble) after WW2 the west carved it up to create the state of Israel. Quickly after that they funded a war to enable Israel to steal more land from the Palestinians. Since then they've funded, aided and turned a blind eye to war crimes (as defined by the UN) in Palestine to the point now where Palestinians have two small strips of land to call their own, and live in what is basically an open prison, with human rights abuses, lack of supplies and services, curfews, daily abuse, restrictions on movement and the threat of the full might of the Israeli military ready to unleash yet more attacks at will. This is basically state funded terrorism. And people wonder why some young Muslim men are pissed off ?
That's nice, we can drive around in Mercs and Audis nowadays. However the conflicts that are relevant to today's problem are still going on. I don't need a book to tell me what to be angry about. What I will say is their belief gives them a lot of strength and allows them to think...**** it we will go toe to toe...wars don't have etiquette, killing is killing. Anyway once again, I'm not falling into justification or being labelled a sympathiser. I'm saying it's not just religion. Either way it's our collective problem, maybe from different angles but a problem nevertheless.
For the meaning of the Qur'an there is consensus its the translation that has the issues in to various languages, and then you get the ones the would just take a snippet of the whole Surah and try to explain as the reason and some muslims/non-muslims fall for it even if you explain and show the whole context.
I can't speak for the quran but the bible is unrecognisable for its original concept and has been twisted to serve its masters. Imho religion is a tool to control the masses by fear and damnation.
If you have conflict over the translation and the context, then the meaning can't have consensus by definition can it?
We can both agree on that the Bible is recognisable as its not the teaching of Jesus(as) but the Qur'an is as is from the day one...the twisted people will try and twist anything, whether it be the Qur'an, Bible or even non-religious books. The onus is on us all as individuals to read understand and decide for ourselves rather than let someone else decide and we jump on the bandwagon. BTW that's not a dig at but in general.
See the thing is when there is a conflict then you have to look at source, which in this case is the Arabic Qur'an and in Arabic you don't get this and as an example that I should you about the virgin thing, its people that twist and give it a different meaning to it for those that would be suicide bombers as you have to see majority of them are not highly educated in those countries and the ones from here are not that well versed in Arabic and for whatever reason very easy to manipulate it seems.
One problem is that many religious texts have been re-written by various factions over the years to suit their own agenda. My personal view is that most religious texts are written for metaphor to convey a moral point and to encourage the reader to find their own moral stance. But far too many people seem to take what they say at face value and interpret the stories literally, to the point where they will go to war over the interpretation of the same book.
I would agree to an extent yes many religious books have been tampered with in the years, where I will disagree with you and can categorically say that with the Qur'an not such thing has happened. The thing people will go to war can be anything and that's not domain of just the religious people its done by non-religious people too...
Not in western society buddy ... my grandparents were regular church goers (Catholics) and my gramdmother had 7 kids ... I have 13 cousins - we all got taken to church as kids - that extended family is perhaps up to 50 or more individuals now - not a church goer amongst them and I suspect not a believer - my 12 year old tells me that none of her friends believe in God. The internet is enabling kids of all races creeds and colours to mix online, play games and share thoughts and ideas - the internet is also becoming more and more accessible with the distribution of 'used' phones etc to the third world - everyone will have their own ideas of course ... but for me there is a tidal wave starting and more and more kids will start to question the traditionalist dynamic - their parents views and belief systems .. Just my opinion of course ...
And you talk complete ****e the majority of the time. I just don't keep pointing it out. Yes, of course there's s difference between domestic terrorism and the global exportation of that violence.
They see the oppression...young men don't have the wisdom to control their emotions. They get caught netted in that age range, then the manipulation starts. They walk out of there thinking they are going to take the strides their parents were too weak and oppressed to take and put the West to rights(according to them). Mate....how much more are you fired up during the NLD than a match against Stoke? because it's personal based on geography, past conflicts and all the emotional trimmings that come with it and that is just a game of Football. These recruiters are not daft. It's their job. Like it was the Americans job to sell the Vietnam war to knuckleheads....then someone with a brain like Muhammed Ali....said what he saw and refused. Very hard to make a knucklehead see the light.
Pixie you are a sensible guy, or have been in this discussion, so I think i can say this without you labelling me a sympathiser as the conversation has moved on It maybe an uncomfortable truth for many but the text isn't the issue or incorrect. Of course some have been on jihaadwatch etc and quoted bits of ayats, the classic being kill them where you find them which if you read what comes before and after is about a person who after you save and escort them to safety turns and attacks you. The issue is and always has been atrocities committed and retaliation. People on here have asked Muslims to condemn and apologise for Isis actions. As a Muslim I think every one else should apologise for allowing the situation to arise where there is an Isis They didn't come to the fore from Muslims neither did the current salafi or wahabbi although people have an inaccurate picture of who is one
Very hard to want to integrate with a ****er like this. However it's quite easy to see why he would piss a few off who are daft enough to take him for his word. Told you it's education that's lacking
Just like there are plenty of Muslims condemning the actions of terrorists, there are plenty of apologists in this country who have done just that.
