Fair enough then, let's hope we want crazy money, then the likely outcome is we keep him but if anyone does bid for him, we get a **** tonne of money.
Spacedsaint, I'll say it again. It's not just the complaining, it's how they do it, expectations and what they post and what appears to be zero tolerance. It is just as annoying when posts like yours above don't take into consideration what exactly it is people like me have been saying. And without starting the same old argument, you can't post this: "The bottom line is that people pay to watch football as it is entertainment" .. without changing it to about you. Some might, but some don't. Some (and I'll follow my own rules), definitely me don't. I follow football because I have an unexplainable love of the game and the club.
If only the complaining and lack of understanding had started 5 games back when the goals stopped. You'd then maybe have a point. This has been happening since day one!
Regardless of the rationale behind the team's performance this season, I can't see how CP can carry on into next season with a large vocal group of fans who will no doubt carry on the abuse if he is still with us. I have accepted that CP will move on and just wish the board would get on with it and sort out the new manager ASAP so we can move on
If it is because if the fans, then Les should stay strong to his convictions and the man he appointed. He's the boss. If it is because if the style of play taken on due to last season's circumstances, then Les should sit Claude down and say something like, "Listen Claude, we want you to play a more expansive, entertaining style. It's what we expect. You've got til end of October to show you can do it." He picked him. He's done ok. He should stand by him.
Our trouble is we can rarely keep them..........You are quite right the board has seemed to get it right as far as managers are concerned......and yes we have not actually kept them. I wonder why that is? We are an up and coming club and our expectations are high........that too is down to the board. After all it is their rhetoric that has told us of their ambitions and expectations. Southampton itself is a long established club we have built a reputation on our achievements. Granted we have not always got the reward we should have done but we have always given a good account of ourselves. We have over the years always punched way above our weight. (Barring a short period of instability about 7 years ago.) However the Saints of the last season has tarnished that reputation by playing some of the most boring football that I have witnessed during my lifetime as a Saints supporter. I don't know if that is down to the manager, players or coaching staff or whatever. It is easy from a fans point of view to express an opinion as to why and how we can change. It is a much different prospective to actually go out and do it. As I said I don't know what is needed............But something is wrong thats for sure! I don't think there is many on here that would disagree. There is no doubt the board has a few headaches. Maybe a new board is what is needed?.....Not sure........ I don't have the answer..........Nor do many of us on here. The summer is going to be a long one and .....interesting!! Maybe not from our point of view but hey what the heck........I'm a Saints fan and will remain one no matter what!!
The club has finally worked out that we lose players and managers because we make them look good.....so this year they have tried out something different.
Your entitled to an opinion of course.....it's just wrong Seriously though, yes the footy has been boring compared to previous seasons but is that all down to Puel? Previous managers had access to our more desirable players and then they were sold by the board and not adequately replaced. Poch and Koeman grumbled about our transfer policy and left the club. What does worry me about Puel is his transfer activity, the players he bought in are adequate at best. Arming him with the next kitty does worry me to be honest but he can prove me wrong.
The players I would say he's brought in are Pied who has been good, boufal who has talent but clearly not been good and Gabbiadini who was a must buy and looked very good before his injury. I don't think any other transfers can be attributed to him?
Anyone who dared criticise La La Land or Moonlight got both barrells on the internet. You are not allowed to not like them because it has been decided that they are exempt from that possibility. The world is different. Criticism of anything (apart from nasty "anywhere right of centre" political parties) is now frowned upon.
In an ideal world I would agree with you but sadly the world of football isn't ideal I am in no doubt that if CP stays he will be abused by large elements of the crowd from day one and that doesn't bode well especially when we are no doubt trying to bed in a good number of new recruits
Gabbiadini has been on the radar from way before Puel became manager. How many of the players are Puel choices and how many are Black box appointments?
**** the abusers, empty vessels make the most noise. As OROW pointed out, Puel's tenure at Nice got better after his first season.
Important to remember managers have very little say in player recruitment at most clubs, including saints. You can't say Boufal and Pied just because they're from the French league, the only one we know was because of Puel was Pied and he has been injured. There are several criticisms and concerns over Puel I'll admit, but you simply cant complain that he has effected player recruitment team negatively.
I'm not. I am suggesting that the manager of Southampton knows the score and is "given" a side to work his magic with. Boufal and Pied were probably black box appointments too. So with that in mind Puel's agreement is "We will give you a squad and you must play in accordance to the Southampton Way." If Puel had played attractive football and we had done badly then you can blame the board because Puel would have delivered on playing the style of football requested and player recruitment was out of his hands. However he didn't. He played a boring style of football and thus it is on him because of that.
Well, yes and no. His appointment may have affected things actually but only in the sense that Ronald Koeman was something of a draw. For example, I'm pretty sure Alderweireld came here at least partly because Koeman called him personally. I doubt a call from Puel would have had the same impact.
Fats,I think the complaining did start before five games ago,just not the (stupid) booing and ironic cheering.Oh and the apparent rude songs (they are rarely loud enough to hear in the Itchen corner). Thinking on that maybe that is one reason for my annoyance (and some others it seems) when some say on here it's either my way or you are a **** fan etc. That reads a bit strong but hopefully you get my point. It really isn't a case of chalk OR cheese.
I love how I argued with somebody saying that they were Puel appointments by saying it was a mixture and then somebody then Argues with me saying they are the Boards appointments. I'm sticking with a mixture, i can't imagine Puel doesn't put forward suggestions and reject some of the Boards. And i'm sure the board do the same. Part of the reason i want Puel to stay is i think they both will have a better idea of what players they will need for Puel than if a new manager came in.
The media will often talk about this or that manager getting players in, and in a lot of cases that's true. However, from my understanding of Led Reed's comments, it works like this at Saints. The manager will sit with Les Reed and Ross Wilson and they'll go through the players that the manager would like to buy. If they are on the Saints radar anyway they can be shortlisted as ones to pursue. If they are not on Saints radar there can be a discussion, mostly in which the manager finds out he can't have them. That doesn't mean it's a closed book. It means that Ross will get the scouts and the black box revved up on those recommendations. Then they could either be pursued or not. But that's it. The manager takes no further part in getting the player in unless he needs the personal touch to sign on the dotted line. Basically, the manager is the top coach at Saints, with Les and Ross taking care of practically everything else that he might do if he were a manager in the old sense.
Whie im not disagreeing, to add to that I'm sure he said they need the agreement of everyone in those meetings including the manager. I've thought of it as more being a UN security council meeting with Veto's.
