I would say religion has been the excuse, rather than the reason. I don't think religious fervour drives this type of atrocity, simply becomes a convenient label for it. For example would you say the Christian schism between Protestantism and Catholicism was the reason for the N Ireland troubles, or a convenient peg for the class differences that meant the Catholics were ill treated in the jobs markets etc. Likewise the Islamic episodes are more about oil and land grabs and religion just gets mixed up in that. I'm sure it becomes religious for some of the combatants but it began as something else.
Anyone can use the term "Jihad" its not a religious thing, simply put it means struggle and these lot are using the religion because its easier to recruit those vulnerable/ignorant or out for revenge and lot of these were created by us and we gave them tools and ideas for recruitment, because if it was the religion, then there are over a billion Muslims around the world that would be doing the same now or historically would have been doing the same. Terrorism existed before Muslims started suicide bombings, others non-religious people were doing the same thing long before (suicide bombing/missions) for their cause.
I have never been happy with the Iraq war ( to mention just one , ) I have read somewhere that when the Tito regime( I know he was not in the middle East ) was falling apart , people were saying " The Monster was controlling the monsters " Seems the same all over . The planet today is a bloody mess :-(
You don't generally commit suicide for nirvana in the next political world ... and the Crusaders weren't after the oil ... Ireland was different yes ... initially ... but the later sectarianism came down to religion ..
They're still using religion and their aims of the caliphate etc are at it's core. They're Islamic extremists, you can't deny that simple fact.
...and to quote one of my favourite Eagles songs - the fate of the native american... We satisfy our endless needs and justify our bloody deeds, in the name of destiny and in the name of God And you can see them there, On Sunday morning They stand up and sing about what it's like up there They call it paradise I don't know why You call someplace paradise, kiss it goodbye
Absolutely right. They are Islamist extremists and so it is done under the badge of religion, it can not be painted any other way.
The West use Democracy as the reason behind waging war, does that make them Democratic Extremists? just because someone use the term or the reason doesn't necessarily make it so, it's just sound bites mate. I am yet to understand the term "Islamic Extremist" just because the ones using it cherry pick snippets of verse the same way the people that hate Islam, doesn't make it Islamic. Humans will use any means, reasons and excuse to try and justify their actions and that's the reality.
They're nutters! Extremists, that's why. What kind of ****ed up god they think wants them to kill innocent kids at a concert, I can't begin to understand.
I doubt you will find anywhere in the Qur'an or otherwise that justifies or allows the killing of innocents, they would have done the same even if they had no religion to get their way.
I'm sure you won't but these perpetrators are using the umbrella of their religious beliefs/ideals/whatever their motivation as the reason. They just are. As much as most realistic thinking people will know that terrorism is not taught by the Qur'an you will be very hard pushed to convince the masses of any county that this does not have a religion at its root. Sorry, but this is just the truth.
I don't believe it was. What possible advantage is there in having newspapers all over the western world printing stories about a wedding being bombed ?? Answer - none! It was a **** up. A stupid one, but a **** up nonetheless. What this scum are doing is to try and bring about the war that they believe is coming.
Doubt the Christians were doing it for religion though, they had their own agenda's like many. People look for commonality to get support and recruit people for their cause, whether it be religion, democracy or whatever but it doesn't mean that was the reason behind it though.
Ok, then they're hiding behind religion if they're don't genuinely hold some totally ****ed up interpretation of the Qaran as their credo.
Actually it wasn't the western world that picked up the piece, it came to it later as there was no running away and there has been many cases like this and by saying its just a **** it doesn't sort out the root issue and gives the terrorists room for recruitment and that's my point.
Crusaders weren't after oil, but they most certainly were after land. I'm sure some of the people involved justify their actions by claiming it as religious, but that's for the simple minded that they want to blow themselves up. In essence it's about land and oil.
They are hiding behind religion and using it to recruit people and we help by giving them reasons! This is just so people understand that this was the rules of engagement from the time of the Prophet (saw) and I don't see how they can justify any of the things they do from Islamic perspective! 1. “Do not kill any child, any woman, or any elder or sick person.” (Sunan Abu Dawud) 2. “Do not practice treachery or mutilation.(Al-Muwatta) 3. Do not uproot or burn palms or cut down fruitful trees.(Al-Muwatta) 4. Do not slaughter a sheep or a cow or a camel, except for food.” (Al-Muwatta) 5. “If one fights his brother, [he must] avoid striking the face, for God created him in the image of Adam.” (Sahih Bukhari, Sahih Muslim) 6. “Do not kill the monks in monasteries, and do not kill those sitting in places of worship. (Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hanbal) 7. “Do not destroy the villages and towns, do not spoil the cultivated fields and gardens, and do not slaughter the cattle.” (Sahih Bukhari; Sunan Abu Dawud) 8. “Do not wish for an encounter with the enemy; pray to God to grant you security; but when you [are forced to] encounter them, exercise patience.” (Sahih Muslim) 9. “No one may punish with fire except the Lord of Fire.” (Sunan Abu Dawud). 10. “Accustom yourselves to do good if people do good, and to not do wrong even if they commit evil.” (Al-Tirmidhi)
But they don't see it like that do they? They have their own interpretation, that whilst it doesn't register as Islamic with you and probably the vast majority of Muslims, it patently does with a small minority, and they're peddling their hate and extremism under the flag of Islam.
Like I said, there is no difference between them and the ones that wave the name of democracy to wage wars, its just the different end of the same stick. Just because someone says they are fighting for the cause of Islam doesn't make it so to be true, I would say judge Islam by its teaching and not followers and that goes for any other religion or way of life.
