Leeds United V Hull City Score predicitions

Ah nevermind, you're one of the "I'm only here to have a pop at Leeds" type of Hull fans.

 

Leeds 2-1 Hull

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* Poor performance overall but a win finally, scrappy game with no class from either side

 

Well, I've been wrong both times so far so I'm going for a 1-1 draw!

 

Err yeah you're right, I hardly post on anything else.

In truth though, I don't go for the whole winding people up thing. I just love football, and I hate players who are purely anti-football. It might be pure coincidence that Leeds, the team I was already brought up to dislike happen to have more of these kind of players than other teams, or it might just be that these players are the very reason I dislike Leeds so much.

Leeds always have the argument lately that they score lots of goals, that's all well and good, nobody is saying it isn't effective. But it is ugly and it's cheating.

I've said many times in Leeds/Hull articles that I can't stand the way Becchio 'wins' headers with his elbows and then cries about it when he gets one back from the big ugly opposition captain. Gradel never stops diving and moaning, Snodgrass does more shoulder barges per game than any other player in world football (I know that's not actually cheating but it's not pretty) and Clayton has a nasty habit of late, dirty tackles.

I'm not trying to wind anyone up, these players wind me up, I just like to let off some steam on here. You'll probably hear more about it from me after the game when I've sat through another 90 minutes of anti-football.

 

Noone cares. Rough play always looks like fouling when it's against your team and never looks like fouling when it is your team. Players play to get decisions, it's not ethical but it's how the game works and I'm sure your players are just as bad. Clayton doesn't make dirty tackles, Gradel doesn't dive and last I checked all Snodgrass is guilty of is being stronger than most full backs.

As for Becchio, are you really saying he's a dirty player and then trying to brush aside that your player intentionally and with malice, elbowed him in the face (not to mention somehow stay on the pitch)? Really? Credibility was lost when you said that.

 

Have you ever actually seen Clayton play? Since he came back from MK Dons he's been all surging runs and classy passes. As Marko said, you lost all credibility when you equated a big centre forward winning headers to an intentional elbow in the face. If Ashbee wasn't playing football he'd have been in court for that.

 

This is what I was getting at initially, your fans will always see it as skill because you want to.

Gradel's diving isn't even a debate, did you watch the Southampton game? Same with Clayton's tackling in that game, that's when I noticed it.

The Becchio thing, yes I loved it when I saw the replay of the cheating twat getting sorted out. He'd been bullying our young team all game throwing his elbows around, eventually Ashbee found out and decided he was going to sort it out. Funnily enough I didn't notice Becchio do it again that game

I'm a firm believer that in football a reaction is less of an offence than the person who's cheating in the first place. I was delighted to see Joey Barton stayed on the pitch the other night having done the game a favour by sorting Gervinho out, who was doing his best Gradel impression.

 

Nah I just made it all up.

I've only seen Clayton this season which is only two games admittedly, but I noticed it particularly in the Southampton game when he kept 'closing defenders down' in seemingly inoccuous incidents but each one of them was left on the floor by his trailing leg. It wasn't even really tackling, just little kicks after the ball had gone.

The Becchio thing has become so silly amongst Leeds fans. The whole point is that Becchio was doing the exact same thing Ashbee eventually did over and over again, elbows to win headers every time, Ashbee did it once out of anger and defending his team mates. He doesn't do it to cheat, and he'll probably never do it again. Becchio does it every time the ball is in the air, it's his game plan, that's what I hate.

 

What Ashbee did is called assault, it's a criminal offence, defending your mates or not. Luciano does what any big centre forward worth his salt does, look at Kevin Davies etc.

 

You keep missing the point, Ashbee did what Becchio does. It's the same thing. If Ashbee's was assault then Becchio commitsd assault to win most of his headers, as does Davies.

 

No it's not. Putting your weight about as a lone forward to harrass defenders is completely different to a pre-medidated assault. We're no more dirty than any other team, the fact only one member of our team dives is something to be proud of.

 

Im gonna be predictable, 0-1 Cairney ! By the way Miff,if you could send me a bigger pic of that beauty of an avatar id be well happy. She waggles my bone !

 

It's not the same thing though, he puts his arms about mostly for balance and quite often gets caught out for it. One of the downsides of his game is he gives away free kicks. What he does not do (not did he during that game, at any point, no matter how much you want him to have done it to somehow "justify" that Ashbee is a thug) is elbow other players in the face, intentionally or unintentionally. If he did it as often as you claim he'd get far more bookings than he does, because stuff like that doesn't just get "let off".

Ashbee shouldn't have been on the pitch after that, but he didn't even receive a yellow card.

 

Ahhh he puts his arms out for balance. I didn't realise that. When I need to balance I don't elbow anyone, but I guess when you're a cheating tramp you have to.

Ash didn't get a yellow card or anything because nobody saw it, including me, so the idea that I dreamt up all of Beccio's elbows just to justify Ashbee's elbow (which I didn't see until afterwards, remember) is a little bit contradictary.

 

Oh yeah because you couldn't have done it then having not seen it, it's impossible for you to try and justify it now with the exact same logic. He actually ran in sideways and lead with his elbow and flung it in Becchio's face.

And yes, if you'd ever got off your fat arse and done any exercise of any kind or even stood for more than 5 minutes that the arms have this knack of being useful for balance. Especially when you're moving around quickly. Strangely enough those extremities then get tangled up with other players who are also trying to balance themselves and fight off another player to win a header. I've never seen Becchio do anything more than give a slight knock to anyone, if that. And he takes as much as he gives out, with the exception fo the Ashbee case.

What Ashbee did, on the other hand was intentionally throw his elbow into another players face.

 

When you jump for headers, your arms go up, it's just a fact.

 

From experience, I know he doesn't jump so wouldn't know that fact .

Becchio irritates me as a footballer. He does just fling his arms all over the place and then cries when something similar happens to him. The fact is most of you will jump to his aid and slag off Ashbee because it's your player that was on the receiving end as we support Ashbee (who imo, gave Becchio a taste of his own medicine).