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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

    56 vote(s)
    47.9%
  2. Get out

    61 vote(s)
    52.1%
  1. TootingExcess

    TootingExcess Well-Known Member

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    Was saying that earlier, is Project Fear Mk3 really the only thing they are offering? It's unbelievable. Same disease as Cameron, call the vote, scaremonger a few fears, and er win the vote.
     
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  2. rangercol

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    We all saw how the British people react when they are told what to do in the referendum. Add to that the fact that we live in an age where Trump can be elected president and it seems that anything could happen.
    The Tories have badly misjudged the whole thing.
     
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  3. Staines R's

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    Would you vote for a party that has a former member of the IRA in their ranks, Col ?
     
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    While the Tories crow over Corbyns refusal to condemn outright the actions of the IRA.....they are more than happy to have a former member of the same organisation serve as a councillor.....oh the hypocrisy !
     
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    Don't agree, Stainsey. No one is saying there can be no repentance and forgiveness. Corbyn was an IRA supporter in the middle of the Troubles when bombs were going off in pubs in Guildford and Birmingham, kids were being blown to pieces in Warrington and innocents in Northern Ireland were being murdered daily.
     
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  6. Staines R's

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    So what was Maria Gatland ?
    So the guns she tried to ship in were just for show then ?
    She was actually involved but seems we can forgive her for that, eh ?
    Politics is full of hypocrisy
     
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  7. sb_73

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    Centre for Economic and Business Research, an allegedly independent consultancy (I haven't checked it out) reckons that a failure to get access to the Single Market for services (financial, telecoms etc) would cost between 1.4 and 2% of GDP (£25 - £36bn) a year, according to the Times. No idea whether this is kosher or bollocks.
     
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    Even quicker than I expected dementia tax now to be 'consulted on'. Spineless.
     
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  9. QPR999

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    Strong and stable though.
     
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  10. Stroller

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    Weak and wobbly.
     
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  11. sb_73

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    Actually Labour have now made it really easy for me to vote for them out of self interest, with the promise to dump tuition fees immediately. I think a lower subsidy for my daughter who will hopefully be going to university next year, and lower need to help her service her debts later, may well more than offset the rise in tax for me under Labour. I am pretty sure that it's not their intention to give people like me a helping hand, but I'm not going to look a gift horse in the mouth.

    My wife, who like me has no time for Corbyn and his fellow travellers, is also thinking of going Labour. We both started as potential tactical Lib dem voters in a solid Tory constituency, but they have been so pathetic that's really not on. My son, family representative of the real hard left (he has nothing to lose, except what we give him*) was also on the Lib Dem tactical/disruptive route, until I told him Timmy was a god botherer, and is now hoping an anarchist candidate pops up out of nowhere. For some reason voting Labour is unacceptable to him.

    Stainsey, are you familiar with the work of Viktor Serge? Fascinating bloke who I have only recently read about (thanks to C. Hitchens) but his brand of Libertarian Socialism certainly close to the ideals of my much younger self.

    * unfair, he has two jobs and looks after himself most of the time.
     
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    When you know you have no chance of winning you can offer the moon.

    Look at what Trump offered and look at what he's delivered!!
     
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    My youngest is hopefully off to Uni in Sept too. Gives me quite a dilemma, although I'm not sure labour have won where I live since I started voting!
     
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    I must admit I haven't heard of him. I have tried reading some of the writings of similar authors of that time, like Emma Goldman, Karl Marx etc, and find them a bit hard work and dare I say it, a bit boring.

    You might be shocked to know I'm currently reading Tommy Robinsons book, 'Enemy Of The State'....quite an interesting read to be fair.
     
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    My constituency was Labour by a whisker 2007-10, but for the rest of all time has been Tory. Anthony Eden used to be the MP.
     
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    Just look him up on wiki, his life story is enough. He was a journalist and novelist, not a theorist, got on the wrong side of Stalin but refused to shut up.
     
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  17. GoldhawkRoad

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    It's not the act, it's the timing. There's a difference between Gatland who was involved in the 1970's and has since turned her life around, and Corbyn who, in the midst of the bloody murders including the murders of British soldiers, was collaborating with the killers.

    Incidentally, the innumerate muppet who might be the next Home Secretary was also a supporter of the IRA and said:

    "Ireland is our struggle — every defeat of the British state is a victory for all of us. A defeat in Northern Ireland would be a defeat indeed.”
     
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    I suspect this will be the first of many. It's an important exercise because the subsidised EU states seem to think that irrespective of merit or legalities, the UK has an obligation to plug the financial gap so they keep 100% of their benefits. If someone doesn't disabuse them, there could be an impasse
     
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    Posted it because it's the only info I've seen on the cost of no deal, which is what you were asking about. If it's remotely accurate (as I say, I have no idea) and the government knows it, would seem to raise the chances of us paying up to me.
     
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    There's always a difference if you want to find one.

    If we are doing quotes:

    'I agreed with the shooting of British Soldiers and believed the more who were killed the better'
    I think you can guess who that was ?
     
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