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  1. deedub93

    deedub93 Well-Known Member

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    Wonderful Conservative manifesto NOT. Pensioners will be committing Hari Kari so the can leave their houses to their kids, or their kids will murder their parents so they don't hang around too long and waste their inheritance on end of life care. The prisons might get rather full.
     
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  2. SpursDisciple

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    To be fair, it is £23k at the moment. Should raise it to the average house price in London, but an improvement
     
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  3. redwhiteandermblue

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    The Republicans are even worse. (https://www.aeaweb.org/research/why-does-the-economy-do-better-democrats-white-house https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...orst-contributors-to-the-federal-debt/264193/) It may be as simple as the fact that tight money leads to economic constriction. I firmly believe that prosperity depends on creating the right amount of wealth redistribution, that we've been creating far too little for a long time, and that this administration will create much less. So, you can be pretty certain this administration will produce a major recession.
     
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  4. PleaseNotPoll

    PleaseNotPoll Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    I'm sure they'll be betting on it. Literally.
     
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  5. PleaseNotPoll

    PleaseNotPoll Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    The Tory manifesto confirms that they're going to kill Leveson pt. 2, as Rupert Murdoch doesn't like it.
    Nothing like a nice piece of obvious corruption to get you elected, eh?
     
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    PleaseNotPoll Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Incoming Donald Trump tweet about Time in 5...4...
     
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  7. vimhawk

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    Not something the Republicans or Tories worry about any more - I think they once did - because the people that are disproportionately hoovering up any new wealth get richer whether there is a recession or a boom. I think they kind of like a recession though because those that still have jobs are so worried about keeping them, and traditional methods (that worked) of government spending in the recession are no longer "acceptable". It's a kind of de facto acceptance of monetarism, neoliberalism, globalisation and austerity... and any policy that goes against this is clearly mad and maybe even - heaven help us - socialist.
     
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  8. humanbeingincroydon

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    What struck me, other than the secrete police who don't like me disagreeing with what the Strong & Stable Leader says, is that the manifesto booklet itself looks uncannily like something that would normally be handed to mourners at a wake.

    Also, given we've had days of "What will it cost? What will it cost?" about the Labour manifesto, it's worth mentioning the only numbers in the Tory manifesto are the ones that number each page. Naturally, this has been called out by our honest and responsible media...
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    Or not.
     
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  9. PleaseNotPoll

    PleaseNotPoll Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    That second one looks quite familiar, for some reason...
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    Completely shocking that someone working for a former Times editor should be pushing Tory propaganda.
     
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  10. humanbeingincroydon

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    The wheels of the campaign bus go...

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  12. deedub93

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    Very Trumpmish. Adam Bolton and co were excluded from the manifesto launch right up until David Davies tookbto the stage. Sky news had to show a BBC interview with jerry hunt.
     
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  13. humanbeingincroydon

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    Roger Ailes, the man who made Fox News what it is, has died.

    Here's a few comments about his passing...







     
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  14. humanbeingincroydon

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    Phillip Hammond had a spot of bother on the Today programme this morning, where he managed to understate the cost of HS2 by...

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    TWENTY BILLION POUNDS

    So in summary, the Chancellor of the Exchequer, a role where the incumbent is responsible for all economic and financial matters, got their sums wrong to the tune of £20,000,000,000 - not exactly a mistake that inspires confidence, is it?
     
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    HS2 will cost multi-billions, not much less than the billions which the Labour manifesto wants to spend. How many times have we heard calls for the Tories to explain where the funding will come from? One figure to ponder is that HS2 will cost far more than taking the railways back into public ownership.
     
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  16. humanbeingincroydon

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    I've seen the Tory manifesto described as "priceless"...because there's fifty items on there which are not costed.

    Funny how we haven't heard any comments about "magic money trees" like we did when Labour's fully-costed manifesto was published, isn't it?
     
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  17. The RDBD

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    Call a spade a spade.

    The Tories are playing this election purely on the toxicity of
    Corbyn being Labour leader and several anti-Leave Labour MPs
    being in constituencies that voted strongly for a Leave result.
     
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  18. humanbeingincroydon

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    And yet it wasn't long before the toxicity of the Tories became the talking point, with them unable to go a day without tripping over blunders or outright lies in their policies
     
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  19. The RDBD

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    Again, they are gambling on their toxicity being perceived as lowest
    by the electorate. If the electorate at the very least vote exactly the same
    as they did in 2015, then Theresa May by definition has not got the
    mandate she claims she is seeking.

    This is the red hot poker that the hacks should be jamming into
    senior Tories every day from now to end of polling day :

    If the Tories win with at most N more seats than in 2015 (choose N
    as appropriate) , then :

    1. Has Theresa May in fact NOT got the mandate she claimed to seek
    2. Will you be advising her to stand down as Tory leader


    If the hacks are not up to this persistent assault, ask their editors to
    transfer their colleagues in the sports dept currently "reporting" about
    Spurs onto the election coverage.
     
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  20. humanbeingincroydon

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    And this is where they're faltering: by hitting OAPs with both the Dementia Tax as well as means testing the Winter Fuel Allowance, they're actively going after their core support. So what's the logic there? Basing an election strategy around turkeys voting for Christmas, or thinking that they'd abstain and the Tories will still steamroll to victory...which completely overlooks the obvious gap in their logic that those OAPs may have relatives, and those relatives might also be pissed off at the Tories suddenly throwing these pieces of legislation at their relatives.

    It's also worth noting that, of all papers, the Standard's reporting has taken on an anti-May slant in the last week or so. While the reason for this is obvious, namely George Osborne using and/or abusing his position to settle scores, the fact that we're in the middle of an election campaign and we suddenly have a paper other than the usual (often ignored) Guardian/Independent/Mirror axis (or the blogosphere...which the BBC is trying to smear as alt-left hate comics, apparently without a hint of irony...) that is going against what Tory Central Office is telling them what the news is certainly shouldn't be ignored. Of course, if the unthinkable happens and the Tories are shunted out of power, does that mean we might have to like George Osborne for his role in their downfall? Because that sounds a bit too much for most people.

    Anyway, on the subject of toxicity...

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