Spending

I really REALLY hope this isn't true

 

Yes and I'd just like to say sorry about Saturday. I know me and Demba were absolute ****tank but in my defence I had a lot on my mind. I'd been online the night before on Village Hats. Whilst on there I saw a stetson I just had to have. Then the more I looked, the more I wanted. It was only when I glanced down at the clock I realised the time was getting on for 4am. It happens every Friday...................

 

Unofortunately I've seen it reported a few times that he was on 40k p/w.

 

Deportivo must be paying atleast 50% of Xisco's wages also I'm sure

 

What is the crack with this one? Is it not cheaper to offer him some kind of severance rather keep loaning him out in the hope that someone falls into the same trap we did? There's no hope for the lad. I'd doubt Deportivo will be paying 50% though, were they not just relegated?

 

True, forgot about that one.

Basically the wages are pretty much the same as we speak. Anymore signings will raise it slightly bigger than last season. And as we speak money has been more than made from transfers.

All proceeds go to the Mike Ashley Big Massive Loan Fund which was established in 2009.

 

Cabaye and Ben Arfa will both be on nearer £40k per week.

Ba will be between 40-50k. After his goal scoring record at West Ham he was highly sought after as a free so we had to tempt him.

Marveaux was on the verge of signing for Liverpool, he will be at least £30-40k

Obertan will be £25-30k a week at a guess

Pieters and Maiga, who knows? Maiga is one of the top strikers in Ligue 1 though, and Pieters is a first choice Holland international, so I wouldn't expect them to sign for less than £25-30k a week.

Our wage bill will certainly go up by the end of the transfer window, but considering the additional players (and considering their usefulness) it's a very healthy wage bill where we're getting a lot of useful quality for our money.

Why? No one has really lied now. I think people were a little premature in their judgement. If these signings do come off we will have spent the full £35mill. Ashley and Pards never promised that we wouldn't lose any of our players (and most of us expected it) so they can't be blamed for that.

He hasn't said we're a selling club at all man. Would a selling club spend £35mill and replace sold players with even more expensive signings?

- Carroll was sold for £35million quid, a fortune the club just couldn't turn down.
- Nolan wanted a huge contract for his age which we wouldn't give him, so he was off.
- Enrique hasn't been happy for months and months for various reasons, so he was always going to go.

If it's true that Carroll sent in a transfer request, then we've only sold key players who actually wanted to leave. Can't argue with that.

£1 is 1.1 euros, so your lack of knowledge about exchange rates means that you can't confidently say anything.

Take that into account, and the difference will be a few million at the most. We'll still have easily spent over £30million, IF these two supposed signings happen.

 

So I was right then? Thanks for that its a big IF as well, can only see one of them coming in.

 

I'm sure i read that Ba is only on a basic wage of around 30k, but his salary is highly incentivized.

 

It's silly for anybody to try and add up the operating costs of the club, or even the salary costs. This definitely isn't directed at Chappaz, or anyone else in particular, but just people's general willingness to be amateur accountants and then draw big conclusions about the club is funny and misguided.

 

Everyones finance degrees are coming in useful.................. or more likely way too much football manager, as bad as scouting using wikipedia zzzzzzz

 

No. You were way off claiming I was way off.

And I don't even know where you're getting your figures from either. A lot of reports fresh out rumour that Pieters will be bought for £8mill, which is even more than what I said. Reports also say Maiga is in for 8million euros, which is 7 million quid, if you would like to be that pedantic over the general point I'm trying to make.

To be honest, my point on wages was only a secondary point at most. I'm referring much more to the actual transfer costs, which we have a far better idea of. We also confidently know that agent and signing on fees for 3 players will be at least a few million, with a few people suggesting much more.

Even being conservative, it's very plausible to say that we've spent between £30-£35million this year, possibly more.

 

Rather make a profit than a loss

 

this exactly - how can add in 2 players who have not signed yet ???

 

To be honest mate it doesn't matter what you say, you seem to be defending the Cashley regime so I'm going to disagree regardless!

 

Chappaz - I'd say we're definetly a selling club. There is no real ambiguity here, we've made a profit in nearly all of the recent transfer windows. I'm not gonna go back through because its been done time and time again. Pardew has hinted strongly recently that we don't have a lot of money and we are a selling club who cannot stop big clubs taking our best players. We have spent no where near 35m this transfer window. Sorry but it is just crazy talk to suggest we have.

As for whether players wanted to leave I don't really want to go into all that again either. We all have our opinions and I've said many times I think they were pushed out because we did not want to pay the market value for their services. I understand why because we have massive debt.

Defending Ashley by looking back at what was said at the time in terms of finer details does not really wash for me. Its quite simple, there is always more to it. I believe they inferred that they would be spending 35m on the team (not training ground or other bits and bobs). As for not saying players will be leaving, they certainly didn't. But you wouldn't would you? They're not going to tell the fans they will be investing heavily in the team at the same time as telling everyone they will be selling key players too! The problem is they have given everyone the impression we'd only be strenghthening the side. We haevn't, we've to sell too. I'm not bothered how it has been dressed up since, at the time they were trying to appease fans over the sale of Carroll, and made some flippant promises they couldn't keep. They haven't and were never going to. I have no problem that our policy is to buy low and sell high, thus reducing the debt in the process. I understand what the owners want to achieve and like it or not, it is a viable way of doing it if you make the right signings.

 

No I know what you meant, and thats why I specified it wasn't towards you. This is more to people who have started other threads guessing how much the club is profiting or losing, or in this case, ones who are trying to refute your thread by fighting over wages of players coming and going.

 

Also in the defence of clubs of Newcastle's ilk (so not just Ashley and co.), it's a lot harder to buy star players than it is to sell them. When you develop players like Carroll, or buy low like Enrique, if they do come good, the top teams will come in with promises of big pay and prestige, and it legitimately is hard to keep them. But it's a hell of a lot harder to then replace them with equal players when you can't promise big prestige, or over-the-top salaries...for example, anyone who thought we could in the short-term replace Carroll with someone of his potential was seriously kidding themselves.

 

I'm certainly not. I'm just stating the facts. In transfers, we will have spent at least £30million and possibly more (if these signings come off), so for those who have castrated Ashley for not spending a dime, he'll have actually almost spent as much as he promised. Make of it what you will. I'm not here to grief Ashley even more just because it's Ashley.

It's a big IF when it comes to these signings, but unless Ashley signs two more frees, we'll have spent a decent chunk of cash. By the way these stories and quotes are going (with confirmations of bids being made by clubs already) it seems we aren't afraid to spend at least £5mill+ in each position, so we can go off that for now.

 

We'll just have to see what happens I suppose. Just like we did when we sold Milner and never replaced him, N'Zogbia and never replaced him, Carroll and never replaced him etc etc - maybe this transfer window will be different, here's hoping.