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Discussion in 'Southampton' started by ChilcoSaint, Feb 23, 2016.

  1. ChilcoSaint

    ChilcoSaint What a disgrace
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    He was very clear on Brexit today. The country voted for it, so he intends to get the best possible deal for the British people from the EU, including access to the Single Market. That's not unclear at all.

    I sympathise with you voting Lib Dem in a Tory seat, that's what I'm going to do as there is no hope of ever electing a Labour MP in Wells under our broken electoral system.
     
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    Oh dear.

    BLOTUS is going to make a speech on Islam.

    In Saudi Arabia.

    What could possibly go wrong?
     
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  3. ImpSaint

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    You are probably right. I was calculating most of it from what he had said. i.e. retiring 4 years early but when I came to 46 years service I was thinking I thought he said 41 but went with the maths instead.

    Not sure on the 40 year maximum thing. He definitely started working straight from school at 16 and definitely served over 40 years. Ties in though. He was retired when he helped me move into the house before this one and that was 2006 If he retired at 57 then that would've been 41 years service and retiring in 2005 the same year my Grandad's inheritance cleared and with his pension unpayable until 2008.

    That doesn't add up though When he says 4 years waiting after 41 year's service he must mean almost 4 years waiting and almost 41 year's service. Don't suppose that is so important. lol

    I totally agree on Corbyn. It is the perfect manifesto. Very popular and very easy to sell. Very hard to make work though. Maybe if the voters are as stupid as politicians and many in society say they are they will not worry about the reality, see the policies and Corbyn will be victorious next month.
     
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    They run out of stones during his stoning?
     
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  6. SaintinSerbia

    SaintinSerbia Annoying Twat

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    Whatever the maths is, my dad got a pension of 32,000 a year from the GPO / BT and my mum worked for them too. One generation down, worked for the private sector, never claimed any benefits, paid more for pension, and it's crap!
     
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  7. SaintinSerbia

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    and I'm fairly sure my daughters (28 / 30 years old) have no payments in a pension fund. This is where a Tory / monetary lead society has lead us. In 30 years this will come to roost. I won't be here but my grand children will suffer.
     
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  8. SaintinSerbia

    SaintinSerbia Annoying Twat

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    Vote Labour Imps, for your kids, for your grandchildren!
     
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  10. ImpSaint

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    I suppose like many wonder how working class justify voting Tory I often find it hard to understand why My parents vote Lib Dem (if they still do.)

    They most definitely don't buy into inheritance tax.

    My Dad's pension is about the same. I have a private pension pot but then between 16 and 26 I worked in 2 pretty good jobs, the first of which paid double the employee contribution so I used to pay the full 7% back then to get 21% paid in.

    Can't touch any of it till 60 though (although I guess I could cash in earlier with that new thing Osborne brought in which sort of would defeat me paying in.)

    So I will be fine once I am 60 with the state and private added together. Not rich but survivable.

    My Mum also is quite matter of fact and when I talk about pensions she always proudly states "don't worry, our house is your pension."
     
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    SaintinSerbia Annoying Twat

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    but it's going down every generation, your mum is proud because she had the advantages of a state job and a state pension. Her inheritance will be whittled down, as you say you live in a council house, there's nothing for you to pass down, just some cash, that'll soon be lost. Vote for Jez Imp, re-build the working class!
     
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  12. ImpSaint

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    Her inheritance is already gone. "subsidising" the gap in those "4" years, building an extension (onto the house that I'll inherit half of) and going to the US twice as well as other joys.

    Like she says. They had a hard life making tough decisions paying the mortgage and bringing up a family. They don;t understand the modern moan about hardship. They gave up the equivalents of nights out, alcohol and gadgets. Lived on the basics, and had to wait until their 50s to be "comfortable." They look agog at my wife when she says we are struggling (we're not) yet we have mobile phones, tablets, playstations all sorts of "stuff."

    They spent their money on a house and bringing up their family with no state support. "We" spend our money on............ourselves and moan that the state should pay more.

    I doubt my Mum is overly proud of having the advantages of a state job and pension. She retired at 23 when I was born so there won;t be much of a pension there. Government didn't give "free daycare" back then.

    Nope, I'll not be voting for Corbyn. Totally disagree with the Labour position on Brexit and anyone else who goes on about hard or soft Brexit. It is Brexit. Continuing to pay in to maintain "free trade" and continuation of freedom of movement of labour (not people) is not Brexit. It is membership of the EU by another name.

    And while they continue to talk about "securing access" I will struggle to believe much of what they say. The world has "access" to the single market. The US has access to the single market without a trade deal. By continuing to suggest we won't have access is disingenuous and meant to deceive people.

    As much as I like a lot of Corbyn's other policies we all know they wouldn't work because the policies are proposing that those that are utilising "globalisation" now to avoid paying into the pot will suddenly accept paying more than the amount they should have been paying and aren't.

    It is a utopian thing. possible - yes, desirable - probably, achievable - not with the current system of globalisation. All those tax sources will utilise the next loophole in whichever country leave the gap open with a wink.

    In 5 years time without the Brexit question? Not for me but would be interesting to see what the "score" would be without the Brexit question. You can't expect to be able to make business/people pay in more when you can;t even make them pay what they should now and society is defending "globalisation" so I can't see it working anytime in the near future.
     
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  13. Velcro Roy

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    No it's the next bit where everybody gets promised a free holiday in Barbados and new shoes to walk along his shiny yellow brick road in la la land.
     
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    Anyone know why Laura Kuensberg hates Jeremy Corbyn so much? She is in charge of our "neutral BBC", nbut I have never seen such obvious bias outside the tabloids.

    Just jumping in to say I am a pragmatist. I vote for policy, not party, but as a teacher I can safely tell you the Tories are strangling the country (unless you are rich enough to start a (hahaha) 'FREE' school).
     
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  15. ChilcoSaint

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    It's been obvious for a while that Kuenssberg's pro-Tory agenda goes way beyond what is acceptable in a publicly owned broadcaster. She should have lost her job ages ago when it was found that she had faked the interview with Corbyn regarding the "shoot to kill" policy, where she spliced in a different question to an answer he gave. If the BBC had a pro-Labour political editor the written press would be outraged beyond belief, but it's apparently OK for Kuenssberg to carry in the way she does.
     
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  16. Velcro Roy

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    Completely agree that this woman is out of order,however she isn't pro-tory.Pro Laura maybe,I believe she'd say anything her ego tells her.
     
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  17. ChilcoSaint

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    She only ever attacks Labour and the Lib Dems, so what does that suggest?
     
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    To me it would suggest some don't want to listen to all her reports!

    Totally understandable mind.
     
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  19. ChilcoSaint

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    Could you point me towards a report where she has criticised the Tories to the extent she does Labour?
     
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    That you're all really paranoid.
     
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