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Discussion in 'Watford' started by Jennings60s, Apr 18, 2017.

  1. superhorns

    superhorns Well-Known Member

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    Rather than blame everything from the position of the moon to Harry Potter it could be the electorate do not fancy the UK being run by a bunch of Marxist half wits?
     
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  2. colognehornet

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    You throw expressions like 'Marxist' and 'Totskyist' around at anyone whose politics are not the same as your own, in the best McCarthyite tradition. Try to do some research on who these people where, and what they actually believed, before coming out with such stupidity. A Marxist is someone who believes in the end goal of a classless society in which all the means of production are held in common - initially all owned by the state and, at a later stage, owned by either the workers themselves or by the commune. A Marxist also believes that the transformation to a Communist society (via Socialism) cannot be achieved through the political organs of the liberal democratic state ie. through elections, and can scarcely be achieved through peacefull means. He also believes (in its purest form) that everything which hinders the development of the homogenous class consciousness necessary for socialist revolution (including immigration) should be discouraged. Corbyn is as far away from being a Marxist as you are.
     
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  3. superhorns

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    Is the 'half wits' description allowable! :emoticon-0125-mmm:
     
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  4. superhorns

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    You need to convince members of his own party like the sleazebag remoaner Mandelson who described Corby as a quasi Marxist. Comrade Corby has repeatedly quoted the ideas of Marx, I can assure you he is much nearer his inspirational leader than my present political positioning.
     
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    https://www.thecanary.co/2017/05/12...rotest-ever-and-she-even-got-her-facts-wrong/

    The future of Education under the Tories?

    "Just to come in on budget this year, I’ve laid off or not replaced: my librarian, a receptionist, my counsellor, a premises manager, an attendance officer, a head of year and three teachers.

    I’ve halved the department budgets, stopped subsidising school trips, reduced CPD to virtually nothing and stopped the school paying into my pension (I’ll be dead by 50 at this rate, anyway)."
     
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  6. colognehornet

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    Can you enlarge on that one - where exactly has Corbyn quoted Karl Marx ? It might also interest you to know that real Marxists were, unreservedly, for Brexit. You are slipping into your old ways SH. by using expressions such as 'Marxist', 'Comrade' or 'Trots' to denigrate everything you don't like - and doing it without any sign of historical knowledge as to what those terms meant. They are no more accurate than if I were to use the expression Fascist about everything I don't like - I hasten to add that I have never done that.
     
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  7. andytoprankin

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    Oh, this is silly. Your evidence they are half-wits or Marxists, please.
    Evidence of being half-witted is coming from but one location at the moment, and it's not in Westminster.
     
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  8. superhorns

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    Don't put yourself down like that, you sometimes make sense.
     
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  9. superhorns

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    Corbyn's colleagues are quite happy to associate him with Marxism, I presume they know him better than you?
     
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  10. colognehornet

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    Rather than making sly digs at Corbyn the whole time - concerning things like his 'electability' on the one hand, or his (according to you) Marxist tendencies - or simply referring to other people as clowns, maybe it would be a good idea to actualize state which aspects of Labour's policies, or manifesto, you actually disagree with - and why. Then we will have the basis for a debate.
     
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    It is his colleagues in the Labour Party that highlight his Marxist tendencies and his lack of electability. That is the problem, his own side consider him a loser, this will be proved correct in a few weeks. There is no point discussing his policies as he will never be in government.
     
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  12. colognehornet

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    There is no point in discussing his policies because you can't ! Maybe it is 'those colleagues' in the Labour Party who, fearfull of the movement from the grass roots of the party, and obviously fearfull for their jobs, who are doing everything in their power to discredit Corbyn - and the media is helping them. The PLP has been to the right of the rest of the party for many years now, and things are now coming to a head. Jeremy Corbyn is more representative of the opinions of rank and file members than the Blairite faction is - and it is they who are damaging Labour's chances more than Corbyn is.
     
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    That's the most sensible post I've seen from you SH <whistle>
     
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    I am sunbathing by the pool on my last day in Croatia. Listing Corbyn's follies is not a priority. Hopefully the rank and file will bully the moderate MP'S out, to ensure decades of Tory rule.

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    I have my moments, not very often!! :emoticon-0100-smile
     
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  17. Bolton's Boots

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    And hand-in-hand with cheaper fares too...

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    Just a little note to pin on your front door for the next three weeks...

    dear tory.png
     
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  19. andytoprankin

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    <laugh> What great company you make on a political thread, then. <doh>
     
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  20. Hornet-Fez

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    Don't dodge the question. You were asked a perfectly reasonable question, one that you ought to answer rather than sidestep it with tabloidesque rhetoric.
    From my point of view I see little wrong with the Labour Party manifesto in principle but, coming from an army family and having many Jewish fiends I cannot bring myself to vote for him. Not as if my vote makes much difference in my predominantly tory/ukip part of the world.... if the tories lost this seat they'd have less than the LibDems currently do.
    So answer the question and engage properly: state which aspects of Labour's policies, or manifesto, you actually disagree with -and why. You have the time to spout the rhetoric, you should make the time to answer the question.
     
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