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Discussion in 'Tottenham Hotspur' started by Wandering Yid, Feb 9, 2016.

  1. humanbeingincroydon

    humanbeingincroydon Well-Known Member

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    When appearing on Sunday's Andrew Marr Show, John McDonnell laid out Labour's tax plans as follows:
    Anyone earning below £80,000, we’ll be guaranteeing you will not have an increase in income tax or VAT, or national insurance contributions. And for those above £80,000, we’re asking them to pay a modest bit more to fund our public services.

    That's strange, because the Tories were adamant that wasn't the case...


    Here's an interesting conundrum for the Tories: do they come out and admit that they were wrong, in other words admit their incompetence, or do they admit they lied? Given their response is to keep hammering on about "tax bombshells" (a tactic which John Major was using 25 years ago) I think we can guess it wasn't incompetence...

    In other news, the press and the Tories both gave Corbyn a hammering for daring to suggest that scrapping hospital parking fees might be a good idea - only for it to soon emerge that Ol Swivel Eyes opposed hospital parking fees at St Marks hospital in her Maidenhead constituency. If that's not a perfect of example of "For the few, not the many" what is?
     
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    He cannot talk about his energy price freeze, because it has turned him into a total joke. - David Cameron on Ed Milliband, 2013

    Like millions of working families, I am fed up with rip-off energy prices. Gas and electricity bills only ever seem to go in one direction, eating up more and more of your monthly pay packet… So I am making this promise: if I am re-elected on June 8, I will take action to end this injustice by introducing a cap on unfair energy price rises. - Theresa May, somehow convinced that she's part of a working family, 2017
     
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  3. vimhawk

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    A couple of similar stories today.

    Firstly we have Trump firing the head of the FBI. Which could be seen as the guy being investigated fires they guy investigating him. The trouble is that Trump does so much outrageous stuff that each successive incident probably doesn't spark the outrage it deserves. Because this really is outrageous. I would also argue that the system shouldn't allow the President to have such control over the FBI, but that's another, equally serious matter pertaining to the power that the President has to appoint members of the judiciary and executive that can't happen in this country due to better separation of powers.

    Secondly we have FIFA firing most of the members of the ethics committee, which were busy investigating, well, lots of FIFA stuff. Parallels here about the people being investigated having the power to disrupt the investigation if they don't like where it's going.

    And on domestic matter, we don't seem to find the press falling over themselves to point out the hypocritical double standards of the Tory energy price capping policy, being the same press that described Milliband as a "marxist" for suggesting exactly the same thing only three years ago.
     
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    So let me get this straight...there's enough evidence of the Tories fiddling their electoral expenses and get fined a piddling amount, but not enough evidence to convict? And, of course, the Tory response is to rattle off quotes about malicious reporting, even though they'd been fined for breaking the rules...which no doubt explains why some Tories are demanding the Electoral Commission be disbanded.

    You see, Chelsea fans, THIS is a bottle job.

    In other news, the Tories are so in touch with the issues facing this country that affect the working families that Ol' Swivel Eyes was happy to mention when stealing Ed Miliband's policies...that they want to bring back fox hunting.
     
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  5. 1. The Trump/FBI issue is so ridiculous that it should be laughable - but it isn't for the reasons you set out.
    Hearing the accounts this morning that he was fired for his handling of the Hilary email investigation almost puts the Democrats on the back foot - but clearly the motivation is to derail the Russian links investigation.
    But the media response is like 'oh, what will he do next? (Giggle)' There isn't the outrage that should accompany his actions.

    2. Nothing that happens in and around FIFA surprises me - there are far too many metaphorical pigs with their literal noses in the almighty financial trough to allow this corrupt organisation to be fully reformed.

    3. Press narrative to support Tories and destroy opposition continues. No **** Sherlock!!
     
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  6. Trouble is that the opposition forces were so excited about the prospect of criminal action that they missed the political own goal of the Tories having to 'admit' to financial incompetence. (Again)
    Arguably that would have been a much more useful tool to batter them with, but now all I hear is sniping at the decision not to prosecute.
     
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    How is this a thing? Just openly taking the piss.
     
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    Look at the third bullet point down on the newer Daily Mail. Perhaps they don't feel the need to employ a proof reader?
     
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    Something is seriously wrong about taxing private health insurance. Looney socialist claptrap. I travel the world for my work and have to have private health insurance.

    Last year I had a cancer scare, got back to the UK, saw my GP on the Monday, because I have private health insurance saw a Specialist the next day and was operated on on the Thursday. Didn't even lose any time off work as I was on leave. If I'd have waited for the NHS it would have taken 3 months to see the Specialist and now, I'd probably be dying of bowel cancer in a NHS hospital taking up valuable bed space/resources.

    What needs to be done is to encourage private health insurance because it save the NHS money, people who are treated quickly are more likely not to become a burden on the NHS. Private Health should be tax deductable.

    Secondly, measures should be put in place to speed up NHS referals, it will pay for itself because there would be less people lying dying in their hospitals.

    This Corbyn chap hasn't got a clue.
     
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    Does seem pretty ludicrous to impose a punitive tax on people who are paying for their own healthcare out of pocket because the other Jeremy ("Typo" Hunt) is killing our health service by a thousand cuts. In Corbyn's world, seems his logic is to make private healthcare so unattractive that somehow that is going to save the NHS from destruction.

    What they need is to rid our health service of the middle men pen pushers that are eating up most of the budget. I've heard from a solid source that our local hospital in Kent is closing down the A&E unit soon and will become an outpatient centre only in a few years. Many others are to follow suit as well.

    Half the people who work there are consultants, employed and paid through third party agencies - yep you guessed it... zero hours, no pensions, no employment perks! Imagine the hourly rate the NHS is having to pay these recruitment agencies, who then pay the consultants?

    The lunatics are running the asylum!
     
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    You really can't see a problem with that? What you earn determines whether you get decent treatment. Good for you getting good prompt treatment, but we can't have a situation where the poor get terrible service. The Tories would soon improve it if their kids had to use it.
     
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    What you should be angry about is the closure surely?
     
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    Of course I am but the cause of the closure is easily preventable.
     
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    All the headlines say they were "cleared" but this simply is not true: the CPS ruling said that either a couple of dozen Tory MPs are too incompetent to know the rules on electoral spending, or somebody at Tory Central Office who was in charge of the battle bus campaign is too incompetent to know the rules on electoral spending.

    The fact that saying the former out loud is so improbable that the odds of the Heart of Gold suddenly appearing after activating the improbability drive are infinitesimal, so it's easier to just lie and say they were cleared - in much the same way Chelsea fans lie and claim John Terry never used a racial slur towards Anton Ferdinand. And when the political discourse in this country can be compared to Chelsea fans, you know this country's ****ed.
     
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    Did you not read all of my post? I certainly can see a problem with NHS waiting lists but offered a solution as well.

    What needs to be done is to encourage private health insurance because it save the NHS money, people who are treated quickly are more likely not to become a burden on the NHS. Private Health should be tax deductable.

    Secondly, measures should be put in place to speed up NHS referals, it will pay for itself because there would be less people lying dying in their hospitals.
     
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    It's pure bullshit. The same crime being committed repeatedly and it's an accident? **** off.

    You know that the press is in trouble in this country by their reaction to Theresa May's media dodging.
    Only pre-vetted questions by pre-vetted journalists and the vast majority of our media are still on her side?
    She's ****ting on their profession and they're happy about it.
     
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    The FBI seem to have reacted to Comey's sacking by leaking the **** out of everything Trump related.
    Who could've seen that coming? Everyone? Yep.
     
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    "It’s rare to have a coincidence. If we start having multiple coincidences then it’s not a coincidence." - Nicolas Faith

    While that quote was about arson, as Faith was a former LAPD fire investigator (and you'll be hearing it a lot today, given it's the anniversary of the Valley Parade fire) the point is still relevant - not least because this generation of Tories are about as constructive as the Piper Alpha blaze.

    ...and since I'm on the subject, I saw a horrifying quote online trying to shout down dissent, demanding we give them a chance. A chance? They've been in power for seven ****ing years!
     
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  20. BBC make more of one of their cameramen getting too close to Corbyns car than they do of electoral fraud or gross incompetence by the Tories....

    General Election 2017: BBC cameraman injured by Corbyn car - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39886810
     
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