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Discussion in 'Tottenham Hotspur' started by Wandering Yid, Feb 9, 2016.

  1. paultheplug

    paultheplug Well-Known Member

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    Better than we are likely to have for the next five years
     
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  2. Spudulike

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    Macron was part of Hollande's government which the French emphatically rejected. He was so unpopular that he didn't even bother to run after leaving a legacy of national debt, high unemployment and a country devastated by horrific territorist attacks over the past few years.

    This Macron guy apparently came from "nowhere" (yeah right!) to create a new party that he claims is somehow an alternative to the status quo yet his policies offer no alternatives to Hollande whatsoever. He's a champagne socialist.

    He's never been elected to anything but somehow in just a matter of months is the front runner with considerable financial backing (Rothschild/Soros no doubt) and gets the seal of approval of practically every establishment figure, not to mention outgoing US President Obama.

    France just voted for five more years of the same. So if our future looks worse than that, I'm pretty bloody worried then.
     
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  3. humanbeingincroydon

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    "The voters outside looked from Tory to UKIP, and from UKIP to Tory, and from Tory to UKIP again; but already it was impossible to say which was which."
     
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  4. paultheplug

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    Do you think that May's car crash of a government will be OK. Macron appears to be able to listen to and to talk to all sides of the political spectrum, more than can be said for any other politician.
     
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  5. Spudulike

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    I'm not pro-May. Quite frankly I think she's disingenuous and wouldn't trust her as far as I could throw her.

    Macron only answers to his masters. He's a puppet. Anyone can see that. He's all style and no substance.

    Only just a short while ago he got into a spin as his audio wasn't working. Clearly couldn't hear his masters orders in his ear.
     
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  6. PleaseNotPoll

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    What is this criticism even supposed to mean?
    If you're poor and on the left of the political spectrum, then you get called greedy, lazy and envious.
    If you're not poor and you're on the left, then you're written off as a champagne socialist.
    You've somehow betrayed the side of politics that you should be on and you're a fraud.
     
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  7. Spudulike

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    I'm a political atheist as it happens. Calling me a fraud is not an argument.

    Macron is a champagne socialist because he talks a good game yet will happily enjoy his lavish lifestyle - i.e offshore accounts which no doubt a recent email leak will expose and show his hypocrisy.

    I'm simply expressing my opinion on someone I believe to be just a disingenuous as our PM. If you take offence to that just because my opinion doesn't align with yours then so be it but I'm not here to partake in a mud slinging match.
     
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  8. Spudulike

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    Think this says it all about the French's attitude towards their choices

     
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    PleaseNotPoll Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    I wasn't calling you a fraud, but talking about the implications of the champagne socialist insult.
    Rich people who lean left in their politics are dismissed with it and I don't see the reasoning behind it, other than that.

    As for Macron being a hypocrite, could you give me an example of his hypocrisy, please?
    The emails seem completely devoid of damaging content so far.
    They may have even backfired, as it seems that Le Pen was beaten by a larger amount than expected.
     
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  10. Spudulike

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    Ok, I understand that the term champagne socialist gets banded about a great deal but this guy is hardly Jeremy Corbyn is he? It's the same in reverse in truth. These days it seems if you are patriotic, you're labeled a "nationalist" as though it's become a dirty word or worse still, a fascist which is just ridiculous.

    IMO, Macron is not a "maverick outsider" for many reasons, mainly because:

    a) he served in Hollande's socialist government for close to ten years, 2 as economic minister (How did that work out by the way?)
    b) it's patently obvious En marché is just a rebrand/offshoot of the failed French Socialist Party to fool the public into voting for the status quo. Hollande's approval rating was as low as 4% at one stage. Ouch!
    c) he went to the exact same elitist schools as his peers - same old system, same end product
    d) he's a Rothschild banker who made millions from business deals so has zero in common with ordinary French
    d) the press were warned not to disclose the content of the email leaks or face prosecution so we've hardly seen anything of note (as yet). Hmm... I wonder why? As we keep getting told, if you've nothing to hide, you've nothing to fear. Seems that rule only applies to the proles.
    e) he got his elitist mates (many fellow Bilderberg members) to endorse him, one none other than his buddy Obama

    Yeah sure, with all that power and influence, I'm sure he's a true outsider who came to power from a grassroots movement and wants reform. Give me strength.

    We'll see what happens over the course of the next few years but I fear for France, I really do. I have some good friends living there and it worries me.
     
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    If ever you were curious why I have referred to the impending election as a national IQ test, look no further than this string of tweets a 'kipper posted yesterday while awaiting the results of the French presidential election

    At first they were bullish about Le pen's chances, so bullish they publicly stated they had placed a bet...

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    Soon they were proclaiming Le Pen's impending victory...


    Unfortunately for them, that is not what happened - and when the reality hit that their bluster had cost them £500, once they believed that deleting their initial tweet would cover up all evidence, the excuses started to flow...


    Funnily enough, Ladbrokes ignored their initial plea, which led to the following series of (since deleted) tweets...

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    Compelling proof, as if that was even needed at this point, at what a myth Generation Snowflake really is - since this waste of space has not only exposed themselves to be an insufferable moron of the highest degree, not only once again demonstrated that people on the Far Right still haven't cottoned onto the fact that deleting a tweet doesn't delete all evidence of what you said from the internet, the moron has also left a trail of evidence online that's proves he's attempting to defraud the bookies!
     
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  12. The RDBD

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    The "snowflake" is characterised by their :

    1. deluded self-importance as to how special they and/or their opinions are
    2. inability to cogently deal with contrary/dissenting views to their own

    None of that in the Twatter exchange.
     
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  13. Spudulike

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    ...and just to redress the balance a little, let's all agree every side has it's idiot that we all shake our heads at. No one particular group has exclusivity over stupidity. They're everywhere.



    Q. What's your 3 favourite thing about the EU?
    A. Uhh... definitely the NHS <doh>
     
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  14. humanbeingincroydon

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    First of all you're wrong about the definition, as the most common use of the term "snowflake" is to suggest a person is weak-willed and at the hint of a challenge they will have a meltdown as they cannot cope. The documented meltdown here is the perfect example of that - the French voting public challenged them, and they end up having a meltdown at Ladbrokes while deleting any tweets that will expose their startling lack of intellect.

    Even by the definition you used this individual certainly qualifies as a "snowflake" - the fact they loudly proclaimed on Andrew Neil's Twitter feed that they had £500 on Le Pen winning is enough of an example of this, as does their cry bully antics of trying to threaten Ladbrokes to get their £500 back, believing that if they sent enough tweets to Ladbrokes (and their rival betting firms) they'd get their own way. Meanwhile, the tweet they sent out declaring victory for Le Pen sounds an awful lot like an inability to deal with people having different opinions to them - hence the subsequent meltdown.

    On the subject of an inability to deal with dissenting opinions, let's compare and contrast the front pages of the Mail from two weeks ago and this morning.

    Two weeks ago, when the Narrative of a new wave of the Far Right sweeping into power across Europe was in play, the Mail led with this headline

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    Two weeks and an election victory for Macron later, what does the Mail lead with? A complete lack of any mention of the election result, as instead they lead with a nothing story that clearly got bundled onto the front page at the last minute as their intended lead story was sent to the recycle bin due to a slight case of the French electing Macron

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    Similar can be said for those who spent the past few weeks saying how good it was that the French electorate were giving Johnny Foreigner a black eye when they believed that Le Pen would win, a belief that already looked woefully misplaced after the first round of voting, yet after the result we're now hearing all manner of guff about the French once again surrendering to the Germans.
     
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_Snowflake#Background
     
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  16. Spudulike

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    The term snowflake as far as I was aware was a generational term which tended to be used in a derogatory way. Usually applied to young lefties who took offence to practically anything and tended to be stereotypical social justice warriors who would throw a tantrum when triggered by practically anything that remotely didn't align with their belief systems.
     
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  17. humanbeingincroydon

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    From Urban Dictionary

    Snowflake

    i.) An insult, used to mean that a person is too easily insulted or is too sensitive to the opinions. Mainly used by Alt-Right Trumpet blowers, who ironically, don't realize they are the very definition of the insult they love to throw around. Snowflake is used by people who are incapable of using their intellect and their words to make their point in an intelligent manner.
    ii.) A word republicans use against liberals when they can not come up with a valid argument to support their statement.
    iii.) An overly sensitive person, incapable of dealing with any opinions that differ from their own. These people can often be seen congregating in "safe zones" on college campuses.


    ...although for the love of John Galt don't look up any of the other definitions, as you'll suddenly find yourself needing to take a shower.
     
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    I rather like Jonathan Pie. His video after Trump won was spot on
     
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