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Discussion in 'Tottenham Hotspur' started by Wandering Yid, Feb 9, 2016.

  1. littleDinosaurLuke

    littleDinosaurLuke Well-Known Member

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    With buffoons like Abbott, Labour are seen as a joke by everyone outside their impregnable heartlands (inner cities).
    The Tories can look forward to a landslide - May knew this, hence the early call for a General Election.
    I think the majority of voters vote in their own self interest. The savage cuts to public expenditure don't resonate until they are personally affected. What percentage of the electorate feels aggrieved at any point in time? Not enough to affect the outcome of the vote.
     
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  2. PleaseNotPoll

    PleaseNotPoll Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    The Tories benefit about 5% of the country.
    A lot of people don't even know what they're voting for.
    If you present policies blind, then most people won't pick the Tory ones.

    The party with the most media support and financial backing will generally win.
    Things only go against that when the **** really hits the fan and people are rioting.
    Tony Blair understood this, so he sold a really centralist agenda while the Tories were utterly toxic.
    Otherwise he wouldn't have won, either.

    In order to have a free and fair democracy, the country has to have a balanced media.
    We simply don't.
     
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  3. littleDinosaurLuke

    littleDinosaurLuke Well-Known Member

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    I agree.
    You are spot on
    But it's probably true that the Tories will do a better job of keeping taxes down (headline taxes such as income tax at least) at the expense of public spending and most won't raise objection to that.
     
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  4. PleaseNotPoll

    PleaseNotPoll Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    They'll keep taxes down for those at the top end and load it on everyone else in another manner.
    It's the American system and we're gradually getting all of it's bad bits.
    Healthcare's next, then probably policing and then what's left? The military, perhaps? Wouldn't put it past them.
     
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  5. vimhawk

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    A true democracy also needs a fair electoral system. The Tories will probably win a "landslide" at the election but that will be only in terms of seats. It is extraordinarily unlikely that they will get a majority of the votes. So while they will harp on about having a "clear mandate" to do anything based on the result, in real terms majority did not vote for them. Is that democracy? I have voted in every election since 1983 and have never voted for the MP that won my constituency, because where you live is more important than how you vote.
     
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  6. redwhiteandermblue

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    The Republicans recently managed to pass their health care bill in the house (it's fate in the Senate is still in doubt). It throws the poor, the old, and especially those with pre-existing conditions under the bus in order to finance a reduction in health care costs for those who don't particularly need it.

    The problem is that this isn't health care. It's don't care.
     
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  7. humanbeingincroydon

    humanbeingincroydon Well-Known Member

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    And this is the part that makes no sense whatsoever: for the vast majority of the UK a Tory vote is not in their self-interest, it's an act of self-harm.
     
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  8. humanbeingincroydon

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    The headlines scream Ferguslie Park, one of the most deprived ares in Scotland, elect a Tory Councillor

    Here's the glaring errors with those headlines...

    First of all, there is no electoral ward named Ferguslie Park, as that area is part of the Paisley Northwest electoral ward. Places that are also in the Paisley Northwest electoral ward include Castlehead, which is a distinctly prosperous area, while the statistics for the ward are also worth pointing out
    65% of households in Paisley North West are owner occupied
    67% of the population of Paisley North West are employed, self employed or full time students
    5.1% of the population of Paisley North West are unemployed
    23% of the population of Paisley North West are pensioners
    4.9% are housewives/husbands/carers or not in the labour force

    More importantly, though, here are the actual results from that ward

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    As is remarkably clear from this, the Tory candidate came fourth with 13% of the vote - 700 votes behind the first-placed SNP candidate and 200 votes behind the second- and third-placed candidates who represented the SNP and Labour respectively. Yet what is the press reporting? TORIESWINLOL.
     
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  9. Mind you, I guess it's the fact that the Tories have won absolutely anything in Scotland right now that is actually news!!! <laugh>
     
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  10. humanbeingincroydon

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    They need somebody to place in those wicker men you know...
     
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  11. humanbeingincroydon

    humanbeingincroydon Well-Known Member

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    The French have passed their national IQ test, with Emmanuel Macron winning with a whopping 65.1% compared to Marine Le Pen's 34.9%
     
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  12. No Kane No Gain

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    Just us and the US with the dunce caps then.
     
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  13. humanbeingincroydon

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    For all the talk from last year of the Far Right taking over European politics, that simply has not happened - most notably with Le Pen failing to become French president and Norbert Hofer, the candidate of a party founded by former SS agents, failing to become the Austrian president.
     
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  14. No Kane No Gain

    No Kane No Gain Well-Known Member

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    Yup, just us and our bloody Brexit vote. As much as our election system has it's flaws, at least it makes it too difficult for some racist twats to ever gain control of the country.
     
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  15. The RDBD

    The RDBD Well-Known Member

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    One in three still voted for La Pen at this stage even though there was
    an institutional 'anyone but La Pen' proclamation put out ??

    I would be very worried if I was the French politnik classes.
     
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  16. Spudulike

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    Yeah great choice they had. They went for the school teacher shagging Bildeberger, Rothschild banker. Sure it'll all work out fine.
     
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  17. humanbeingincroydon

    humanbeingincroydon Well-Known Member

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    Still a better future than someone who copied and pasted Trump's policies into Google Translate.
     
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  18. Spudulike

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    We'll see. I can safely predict a very unsafe future for France whatever the outcome. Sad.
     
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  19. paultheplug

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    Better than we are likely to have for the next five years
     
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  20. Spudulike

    Spudulike Well-Known Member

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    Really? Have you watched the news in France this past year?
     
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