The positive of Brexit. The extremes and moderate Right-Wing are now going to be redundant. Now we need a way to weaken the power of the Fabian socialists and communists.
It feels quite similar to the build-up to the Labour landslide in 1997. I think we're about to experience the same sort of presidential government.
McDonnell was interpreting yesterdays council results as positive because it wasn't wipe-out. He sounded buoyant when interviewed on 5live, blaming the media for Labour's woes. By his reckoning if Corbyn gets enough exposure on the media, the electorate will realise how nice and decent he is, then they'll vote for him. Anyone fancy sitting watching Corbyn on telly all night to test his theory?
Diana was on TV early afternoon yesterday trying to defend 'Corbyn's Labour' abject display at the polls yesterday..... her arguments were basically laughable... then again Madame Crankie's arguments that the SNP's display was highly impressive when they lost about 35 seats was just as glorious Personally I do not think Labour's problem is all down to Corbyn/Abbott/McDonnell .... I think the problem is Momentum!... At lunchtime there was the BBC's normal 'Election Special' with the 'Election Expert' (the Scotch guy) who said a few months prior to the Thatcher/Foot election in the early '80 (??) there was local elections where Labour did very very well... at the General Election a few months later Mrs T won with ease because the electorate wanted Mrs T to run the Country rather than Mr Foot. At that time Labour were trusted to run local Govmnt but not the National Govmnt so what has happened to make the general electorate turn on Labour in such a bad way? It can't all be down to Corbyn?? I am guessing that people do not trust Momentum and do not want the Labour party in any sort of power until traditional Labour people like FHB, Kish, Don and Super recover their party! I think British politics would be better served if the Labour Party returned to being the party of the workers run by people like John Smith and if Momentum returned to running the UK Communist Party or as it is now called ....... the Green Party. AHLL is a independent political observer, The views above are my own and are free from Political Party allegiances .... thank you
Please do not read the above as criticism of anybody on here that is not my intention at all. We all know as with Charlton that it is so easy to accept 'what you think is the inevitable' when you can not see a clear way forward, it is a general human frailty to think that "I can not see what I can do, so I will do nothing" but please do not accept that and ... join your local Labour Party .... stand up at LP meetings and say "Nooooooooo this Momentum does not represent me" tell them "Blair took us too far to the right but Momentum are taking us too far to the left.... there must be a traditional centre ground we can retake".... and most important of all.... let's get this Party re-started! AllHell
Orpington meetings are dominated by the sensible wing anyway! It needs more of the traditional Labour voters to join the party so that the Corbynistas are outnumbered in any leadership election. As things stand the worse Labour does in the election the nearer Corbyn gets to the 15% of Corbyn-friendly MP's which he needs to stand again, and therefore win. This is because Team Corbyn have parachuted their members into the safest Labour seats, and is what traditional Labour voters should consider when making their decision on how to vote. Corbyn and his mafiosi will benefit from a catastrophic defeat as opposed to a mere landslide, if you get the maths. And just as Mrs May is lucky to have Corbyn, so Corbyn is lucky to have Farron.
The Labour Party has become something of a joke over the last 18-24 months - and I think it's pretty black and white to see why they are losing heavily. Half of the party don't want the leader in charge and have said so public ally pretty much every week since he's been in power. If we can't get our house in order then we can't be expected to do so tothe other 60mil+ That habitat the country. Unless May spectacularly ****s up the country over the next 4-5 years then it will be a long road back for Labour. To be honest, none of the Corbynistas will give a **** either once he's booted out.
I've volunteered for leafletting in my local constituency. Long odds that the leaflet makes no reference to Corbyn.
To me it seems that Momentum are using Corbyn as they see him as a friendly face of the very far left, I would guess they have no special love for him but they know that the less intelligent Labour people (like Diane Abbott) will support him rather than force in a more electable (centre left) Labour Leader. I guess the centre left people are worried about being accused of being 'Blairites' which I can understand
Not sure - I think JC and Momentum use/need each other. I can't foresee anyone pushing corbyn towards left centre, the man is too head strong/stubborn.
Oh yes! I suppose he is quite friendly, but I'm not so sure that he's put forward any far left policies. In fact I'm not sure that he's put forward any policies. John McDonnell claimed that in the next 4 weeks when people saw what Labour policies were they would rush to vote for Corbyn, but how will they convince an electorate which wants to pay less tax, while having more money spent on public services? Nobody wants etc................................... Corbyn could have done himself a great favour by criticising Drunker for leaking details of his meeting with Mrs May, but I have given up all hope of seeing him doing anything which is politically astute.
In short- this election is all about Corbyn. Len McLuskey dropped a clanger at the beginning of the year when he said Jeremy had a year to prove himself. That warned Mrs May of the danger of Corbyn being replaced by a proper leader....................................................
Just reading about the elections in the Spanish press. La Vanguardia (a fairly left of centre paper) suggested than in most areas (football manager, shareholder CEO, president of a block of flats) Mr Corbyn would have been sacked for the latest local election results. Sounds like Katrien M to me. However, they raised an interesting point. Theresa May has suggested she wants a big majority to give her a 'mandate to negotiate'. But negotiate what exactly? The hardest and most damaging exit possible? Some sort of trade treaty which will never be ratified by the Europeans? Workers rights for Brits abroad that won't be reciprocated by the UK? For someone who wanted to avoid Brexit, she cuts a very odd figure with her current aims, and demanding a carte blanche from the electorate in elections widely expected to be a landslide sits uncomfortably with that idea. Strong and stable leadership could be i.ied to giving at least an idea of what she expects to negotiate with the EU. Given the opinio polls, she could fess up to what she plans to demand and get in future talks. While I loathe Junker, I reckon he has May's negotiating position just right. Corbyn could address that urgently.
Seriously think Tony Watts new venture sent him over the edge. That, or they're settling down to watch the notebook tonight.
Ken, I know this is the Daily Malice but I think the content is accurate http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...mits-faces-crisis-UK-refuses-Brexit-bill.html I think this is exactly why a lot in the UK just want out of the EU, I gather the UK offered the EU a deal with regard to EU citizens living in the UK (giving full protection) when the Article 50 letter was sent in March 2017 to the EU on the basis that UK citizens (living/working in the EU) would have reciprocal protection.... the EU refused this as (from what you can see from the DM article) they wanted these rights to take effect from 2019 and even after BREXIT they still wanted to dictate employment and benefits rights for EU citizens living in the UK. The EU must know that these demands will never be acceptable to the UK and yet Joeker still blames the UK for delaying agreement on this issue.
