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Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by Stroller, Jun 25, 2015.

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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

    56 vote(s)
    47.9%
  2. Get out

    61 vote(s)
    52.1%
  1. YorkshireHoopster

    YorkshireHoopster Well-Known Member

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    Whatever turns you on
     
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  2. kiwiqpr

    kiwiqpr Barnsie Mod

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    gets my vote
     
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  3. kiwiqpr

    kiwiqpr Barnsie Mod

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    you are on the wrong thread uber
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  4. kiwiqpr

    kiwiqpr Barnsie Mod

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  5. Uber_Hoop

    Uber_Hoop Well-Known Member

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    I was just trying to make my political point as succinctly as I could. :)

    I was afraid I was waffling a bit with the second dot, though...
     
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  6. sb_73

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    Welcome to the Lib Dems Ubes.
     
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  7. Star of David Bardsley

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  8. sb_73

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    Just exercised my democratic right in the county council elections. Went for the incumbent Lib Dem, a first for me putting the X in that particular box. This bloke has done ok on local issues, and was the only one standing who bothered to send any literature through my letterbox. No UKIP candidate, brilliant. Whether I can bring myself to do the same at the General Election is open to question, Farron really is an irritating little chap.
     
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  9. Star of David Bardsley

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    What do people have against Farron. Seems decent enough. If he didn't look like the last pick in PE he'd be more popular I think.
     
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  10. sb_73

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    The religious **** I think - not being religious as such, but being so ham fisted at combining it with being a politician. Plus he's like an annoying fly, buzzing around with no real impact, because he has no sting. And of course being a Liberal Democrat is a bit funny, sandals, pipes etc.

    What animals would the other party leaders be? (I was in a workshop trying to define 'brand character' for a product years ago when the agency actually asked this question. Suddenly I remembered I had an important meeting to go to).

    Corbyn - roadkill badger
    May - mangy hyena
    Nuttalls - cane toad
    Sturgeon- sturgeon
     
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  11. Stroller

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    David Davis tonight following the same line of 'EU bullies trying to influence our election'. What bollocks - straight out of the Trump playbook. Is the UK electorate as stupid as redneck Americans? Probably.
     
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    They've already won the election, why piss the EU leaders off unnecessarily for party political reasons? She's going to get all the kipper votes anyway, why drive those one nation Tory voters towards the liberals with this Hard Right bullshight.
     
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  13. sb_73

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    I think politics has always been combative, at least since I've been following it, but now it seems that 'enemies' who are trying to damage us, real or invented, are required, often in place of positive ideas, even in liberal democracies. They are a complete necessity in totalitarian states. Here I assume this is to scare people, a bit of behavioural manipulation to get them voting in the 'right' way. Because when people are scared, or angry because they think they are being bullied or threatened, they turn to people who offer them 'strength', however fake this is. Plus of course it gives the politicians something to blame other than themselves when they don't deliver on their promises. I think it's more of the latter in the case of the Tories at the moment, though to be fair the Junckers leak kicked this unedifying crap off. It's like a watered down version of some of the Ingsoc tactics in 1984. And it's not just confined to the current Brexit Tory party, some of the Remain campaign in the referendum strayed into the same territory.

    I haven't watched Question Time because it makes me feel ill, and also there was a great programme including new material on one of my true heroes, the genius Peter Cook, on BBC4. Which has cheered me up no end.
     
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  14. Uber_Hoop

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    Well, they must be, as they tend not to vote your way. :)
     
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  15. Uber_Hoop

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    If it's "new material" I'd be ****ing amazed. :)

    (Although, in fairness, you did say "on" rather than "from")
     
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    UKIP wiped out in the local elections. Good, but it's only because the Tories under May have become indistinguishable from UKIP.
     
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    Good spot but I think I'm covered. Previously allegedly unbroadcast material, found in his house.
     
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  18. sb_73

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    I initially thought good, but now not so sure. All of these votes have obviously gone to the Tories, and probably also will at the General Election. May will probably interpret that as a mandate for an even more inflexible approach to Brexit. Plus, with UKIP as a semi viable party, at least some of the nutters were visible and penned in one visible place.

    Also looks like a bad night for the Lib Dems (though my local councillor got back in). My theory that they would get many more votes (but very few more seats) at the General Election may also be wrong. We face the prospect of a May government with a massive majority, no effective opposition except in Scotland, and very little internal opposition. Not healthy.
     
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    tactical voting, after the June elections UKIP will continue to be a thorn in Labour's backside:emoticon-0100-smile
     
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  20. TheBigDipper

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    C'mon, we all know it was never about getting a mandate for one sort of Brexit over another. It's all about grasping power for a long time whilst the going is good. Recent events tell us that no-one running for election actually delivers what they say they will after they've won and the electorate lets them get away with it.

    Scottish opposition (if the SNP actually maintains their 2015 vote) will be marginalised. The narrative will be they are just pesky Scots who want to make trouble and (silly things) be independent, whereas the Conservatives will govern for the 45% (or so) of Scots that didn't vote to be independent.

    If only they could convince the 48% that they're doing the same for us.
     
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