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Discussion in 'Tottenham Hotspur' started by Wandering Yid, Feb 9, 2016.

  1. Spudulike

    Spudulike Well-Known Member

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    Labour are clearly serious about winning in Maidstone <laugh>
     

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  2. BobbyD

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    lol really bad. 80 million over 4 years, 25000 extra police officers, not 10000 police officers now 250,000 policewomen and men jeez. Diane Abbott is terribly incompetent
     
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    For her, not so much the "Peter" principle as the 'I sh**gged Jeremy in the past' principle.
     
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    I see the "education, education, education" mantra has returned to Labour.
     
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    I know how much flak you guys like to give trump but you might enjoy this guy

     
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  6. Spudulike

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    Sorry, piss poor at best.
     
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  7. humanbeingincroydon

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    George Osborne's first edition of the Standard has stuck the boot into Ol' Swivel-Eyes' ineptitude in the Britait negoriations, which doesn't in any way come across as settling scores because she gave Osborne the boot...which didn't in any way come across as settling old scores as Osborn suggested to David Cameron that they sack her from her position as Home Secretary due to gross ineptitude.
     
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    Abbott may look like an idiot but it seems we're getting no scrutiny of the Conservatives whatsoever Are we saying that no Tories are making any mistakes? Or are the Tories not saying anything at all (quite possible). I just don't get it. The atmosphere seems different even from the last election, as if everyone has decided the result is a foregone conclusion so they're not going to bother. The PM doesn't want a televised debate, so it gets dropped, because it's her decision you see (what do you mean it isn't). Nobody knows what she stands for - well we can guess but she isn't saying anything. And she isn't even being picked up on not saying anything! So then they get elected again (with 35% of the votes or less) and commit the rest of us to something ideologically very right wing that they hadn't fully explained before. But apparently it will be a strong mandate because they'll have over half of the fecking seats. Basically elected by the system (again) and not the people, although it must be said that they'll get a lot of votes, as usual, from people who will lose out under a Tory government compared to voting for someone (almost anyone) else. And should there be any growth - whatever that means - the main benefits will increasingly be hoovered up by a very small proportion of the people. This is all so wrong.
     
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    May is a lightweight who's somehow been promoted way above her capabilities.

    However, unless she really ****s up she has this election in the bag. She knows it, so why should she risk exposing her limitations in public debate.

    You've probably noticed that all her public appearances have been carefully crafted and choreographed. You can bet that she only agreed to appear on the box at the weekend after both Marr & Peston's questions had been thoroughly vetted. Hill and Timothy are like a couple of Rottweilers.

    She won't take any risks. It's not in her nature, and she doesn't need to.
     
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    Abbott is an idiot, but she's a pretty well educated one. She's got a Masters in history from Cambridge.
    She's like the other side of the ****ty coin of Boris Johnson.
    Two heads, lots of education and not an ounce of common sense or humility.
     
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    She lied about one of her rallies, claiming that it was a child's birthday party to lose the press.
    She then pulled this stunt in Devon:
    http://www.devonlive.com/theresa-may-visits-devon-after/story-30306851-detail/story.html

    It might seem like smart campaigning, but she's pissing off a lot of journalists.
    That's probably not the best idea for someone in the political spotlight.
    They'll all be looking to take absolutely any chance they get to stick the knife in.
     
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  12. humanbeingincroydon

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    It's worth pointing out that, in the first week of campaigning, the Tories dropped ten points in the opinion polls...which will no doubt be filed alongside the Hillary win and the Remain vote as reasons opinions polls are always wrong, a statement trotted out by people only too happy to crow about opinion polls saying the Tories are so much more popular than Labour.

    Also worth noting is how many times the phrase "after the election" is being trotted out by Tory Central Office at the moment:
    - Publication of the NHS performance data, which was due in April? After the election.
    - The findings of the report into Southern Rail? After the election.
    - The decision of Murdoch's takeover of Sky? After the election.
    - A decision on the recommendation of raising the state pension age? After the election.
    - Publication of the government's plan to tackle air pollution? After the election.

    Funny how every single one of those would reflect badly on the current (unelected) government...
     
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  13. Spudulike

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    Word is the CPS report is coming out very soon, before the election. That could make for very interesting developments.
     
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    If so the timing will probably be criticised as "politically motivated" and thus the content can be discounted. Do not underestimate the ability of the media to spin the story differently, or indeed give more prominence to something else less important.
     
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  15. There's a saying that a society gets the politicians it deserves and if that's the case we must have been feckin' bad to end up with the likes of May, Johnson, Corbyn & Abbott!! (Let alone the Nuttalls and Farages lurking in the wings!! <yikes>
    Heaven help us all.
     
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    Another day, another day scrutinizing Labour. Do the policies need scrutiny - of course. But what about some balance?
     
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    Another story being buried at the moment: in October 2008, as the financial sector insolvency crisis was at its worst, HSBC loaned £214.4m to a private holding company by the name of IPGL, who at the time were having financial difficulties - even though, at this time, banks tended to either withdraw loans or hoke repayment terms.

    What makes this worth mentioning is that, at the time where HSBC pumped cash into IPGL, they were being run by Tory donor Michael Spencer - who promptly funneled £4m in donations into the Tory party, including over £1m for the Tories; 2010 election campaign as well as covering the expenses for Cameron and Osborn to travel to the Davos World Economic Forum shortly before the election.

    After the Tories "won" the 2010 election (I say "won" as they needed the Lib Dems to get them into power) this is where things get particularly interesting, as...
    - In November 2010, the Tories made HSBC chairman Stephen Green a peer in the House of Lord (where he still sits as a Tory peer)
    - In January 2011, Green was appointed Minister of State for Trade & Investment
    - In 2012, Osborne hampered the US investigation into HSBC's money laundering, also lobbying that they did not face prosecution
    - In March 2012, Spencer was named as one of those to benefit from the cash for access scandal
    - In March 2013, Osborne was the only finance minister in the entire EU to oppose a limit to bankers' bonuses
    - In September 2013, IPGL was fined £55m for attempting to rig the Libor rate
    - Also in September 2013, Cameron attempted to have Spencer appointed as another Tory peer, only for the ethics committee to refuse it
    - In January 2015, Times editor Camilla Cavendish met with Cameron and agreed to spike a story about HSBC fraud. She was soon appointed as Cameron's advisor in the Number 10 Policy Unit
    - In January 2016, Cameron delayed a Competitions and Markets Authority report into reducing the dominance of the Big Four banks (i.e. HSBC)
    - While running away from the mess he created in June 2016, Cameron once again tried to get Spencer appointed to the House of Lords in his resignation honours list, thought Cavendish did make it in as a Tory peer
    - On April 28th 2017 the loan documents came to light, and the story was reported by a wide variety of online blogs, which yesterday prompted SNP MP Roger Mullin to demand the Electoral Commission launch an immediate investigation into the matter

    So what we're being told by the mainstream media, who have failed to report this story in the five days since it broke, is that the result of the 2010 general election - the election where the Tories snuck into power in the first place - potentially being thrown into disrepute is far less newsworthy than Diane Abbot having a momentary brainfart which she immediately apologised for and corrected herself.
     
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  18. Spudulike

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    Could this be to the Tory's campaign what the FBI Director James Comey's decision was to re-open investigations into emails to Hillary's campaign, causing it to fail? Who knows but as you say, the media won't focus on the incriminating content of the report. Just the supposed motivation behind it and its timing.

    It's typical of the political elite these days. Don't go after the criminal but the whistleblower who exposed the crimes. What a world we live in.
     
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    ^^^that put me right of my chips that seagull beaked old wench


    spot on dude,....the system doesn't work for us it works against us has done for a very lone time but its getting worse, pity the voting public doesn't see the hypocracy of our so called betters>>>>>>>Orwellian maybe????.....youre fking right it is <ale>
     
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