He's set himself a great challenge. Really inspiring actually, which is why he's a great and should stay.
Indeed normally by now they would have been dumped out of the cl and then started that run. They remind me of gerrards last year. I can see them just downing tools in last 5 games.
Jurgen Klopp stance on Mamadou Sakho continues to split Liverpool fans Mamadou Sakho did Liverpool a favour on Monday night, as the on loan defender excelled once again for Crystal Palace in their 3-0 win over Arsenal. It was the fourth clean sheet Palace have kept in the six games Sakho has started, and the Frenchman has been as influential as anybody in the South Londoners' steady climb away from relegation. Monday's result greatly aids Liverpool in their bid for a Champions League place, as Arsenal could have gone ahead of the Reds if they'd won all of their three games in hand. That is no longer the case and Liverpool now control their own destiny. Don't expect Jurgen Klopp to be calling Sakho and offering his thanks, though. The relationship between the Reds' boss and the man he used to affectionately refer to as "Mama" soured after a series of incidents last year, starting with a failed drugs test that caused the defender to miss the final month of the season, including the Europa League Final which Liverpool lost 3-1 to Sevilla. Sakho was later cleared but the damage had already been done. Regardless of whether the substance he took was on FIFA's banned list or not, the 27-year-old did not clear it with the club doctor as he should have done and Klopp understandably wasn't happy. Rather than go out of his way to make it up to his manager, Sakho made things worse for himself by reportedly turning up late on three occasions during preseason. This tardiness saw him sent home from the Reds' summer tour of the U.S and the writing was clearly on the wall for him then, but the final straw came after a late night airing of dirty laundry on social media in September. Sakho was already out in the cold, but after that outburst he was sent to train at the academy and was completely banished from the first team until he was eventually loaned out to Palace when the January transfer window opened. It's unlikely he will ever play for the club again, but supporters are not universally in agreement over it. Sakho splits opinion among Liverpool fans. Some would argue he's still the best centre-back on the books, while others feel he can't be trusted and makes too many errors. Most would agree that the Reds could certainly have benefitted from having him in the side at times this season. please log in to view this image Mamadou Sakho is impressing on loan at Crystal Palace. Sakho may or may not be as good as Dejan Lovren and Joel Matip, but he's unquestionably superior to Ragnar Klavan and Lucas Leiva, both of whom have seen significant playing time this season. Privately, even Klopp would probably agree with that, but then his shunning of Sakho was never about football reasons so it's a moot point. Sakho handled his demotion to the Under-23s impeccably. He didn't sulk or act like he was too good to be playing in a team full of teenagers in front of a few hundred fans. In fact he embraced it. Michael Beale coached that U23 side before departing for a new challenge in Brazil last December, and he has nothing but praise for Sakho's attitude and professionalism. "When he first came to us at the U23s, I didn't really know what happened with the manager. I didn't want to know, and I said to him that as long as he respected me and the U23 players and staff then we wouldn't have a problem. He went well beyond that," Beale said. "From that day onwards he was getting changed in a Portakabin. He was never, ever late, and he worked his socks off. "He could not have been a better professional. You are seeing the results of that work now at Palace. His attitude was outstanding. I have never seen anything like it." None of that was enough to change Klopp's mind, though, and it's unlikely that anything Sakho does at Palace will either. If he keeps up this level of performance it probably won't earn him a second chance at Anfield, but it will ensure Liverpool can get big money for him when they sell. You can never say never in football of course, but barring a hugely unexpected turn of events the likeable Frenchman has surely played his last game for Liverpool, which is a great shame for all concerned as he had become a cult hero on the Kop and had made himself a popular figure around the city with all of his selfless work with local schools and charities. While not all Liverpool supporters are happy about his treatment, without knowing all the facts of what went on behind the scenes, surely Klopp deserves the benefit of the doubt? After all, he is not in the habit of getting rid of quality players without good reason, and unlike some other high profile managers he does not have a history of falling out with senior players and holding petty grudges. Ultimately, players and managers fall out all the time and when it happens there's usually only one winner, and it's very rarely the player. http://www.espnfc.co.uk/club/liverp...madou-sakho-continues-to-split-liverpool-fans
Maybe it was just his general attitude? Constantly breaking rules, no matter how minor they may be, is undermining the manager. You can't tolerate someone like that, it needs to be squashed before it escalates!
If you are correct, then Klopp may have no choice. I'm basing my opinion on what we DO know: He didn't take a banned substance He has been very positive towards the club since going to palace He worked his ass off at under 21 level The latter two are what you'd want to see from someone who had made a mistake. So you'd sack him off then?
Beale couldn't be more complimentary so if Klopp ain't interested end of season you don't get second chances with him, if he does give him a second chance because of his change in attitude then fair play for straightening him out. We'll see in the summer, don't really care right now!
A possibility is that Klopp is prepared to give him another chance but not this season. Next season could be seen as a fresh start whereas giving him a chance this season would have also meant dropping someone and that message is something he wasn't prepared to do.
No history then I'd keep him. I'd say the bridges have be burnt down now. He wasn't kicked out because of the drug issue. He played after that and was initially part of the pre-season tour too. Was it about him being late? Doubt it, got to be more to it than that. Maybe he was always late and showed disrespect when questioned?
The one thing that we do know is that Klopp has made this decision, and that is all that counts, imo. He must have his reasons, so by constantly questioning the decision we are indirectly raising doubts about him as a manager. If Klopp decides to give him another chance then fine, otherwise all discussion is a bit pointless because we're just speculating on limited evidence. I'm not saying I would sack him off, just that if Klopp does I think we should back his judgement. I firmly believe that a manager should be in charge, and be seen to be so. If that involves being ruthless now and then, I don't think that's a bad thing.
I agree, Klopp will decide and if that decision is to sell him then fine, I'm sure we'll buy another player.
Plus shock... theres always another player. The trick to success is combining enough good ones together to good effect. Clealy klopp felt sakho was not right. It was his choice. We simply dont have enough guys to combine to good effect consistently but thats no reason to pine over a lad who our manager feels doesnt fit
I agree with everything you say; however if all of the incidents that Took place are what we know about (I know other stuff could have gone on that we don't know), then would you not want to give the bloke a chance seeing how he has conducted himself since then? For the record if Klopp was to sack him off then I'd support that decision too. My question is more about the character sakho has shown since being dropped. P.S. The worst thing for me was him having a snap chat rant. However if sakho wasn't really injuried and felt what was being said from the camp was a lie, then I'd be unhappy too. I'm not pro sakho and I'm not pro Klopp. I'm pro the best solution.
I'm orry but sakho has not been good since he got dumped. He was constantly on social media posting pics of himself being fit which is a direct slap in the face for what klopp said. he's rejected two moves and had to be loaned out. So he's played a few games for palace and did ok... WHY does this constitue him being an utter pro all of a sudden... AND why are you comparing him to other players now... this si all just self justification of this sillyness. when klopp decides he decides. and if its out.. theres ALWAYS another player
In response to your first 2 paragraphs forget Klopp and sakho for a second. If someone was saying you were not fit but you were, would you not be annoyed at that? Personally I would be. Anyway I'm curious to know why posting pictures of training (which the ones I saw, were way after from when Klopp said he was unfit) is a slap in the face? I don't know the reasons for the rejection. Maybe sakho thought he could prove Klopp wrong. Maybe as stated earlier, maybe sakho has done far worse that we don't know about. My questions are purely based on what we do know and not what we don't know. I'm finding this an interesting discussion it gets people thinking about how they see a situation and how they would deal with it, which is more interesting than just thinking about if sakho should have stayed or gone. As I said I'm not pro stay or pro go. I'm just looking at the facts presented to us.
Well said ademuzzy. Footballers are humans - they have emotions and feelings. Some fans hate players with a bit of personality - look at Sterling and dturridge as classic examples. Some fans just love mindless idiots like Milner.
so: 1. was late for flight, training and a rehab session. klopp had enough and sent him packing with an earful I quote: The German manager said: “It’s not that serious. He missed the departure of the plane, he missed a session and then was late for a meal … I have to build a group here, I have to start anew, so I thought it maybe made sense that he flew home to Liverpool and after eight days, when we come back, we can talk about it. 2. Klopp dressed him down and sent him home telling him whatever he told him. IMO thats last chance saloon to me. what would you do... be annoyed and post **** on social media while the team is in the us contradicting the manager.... that leaves manager open to questions in pressers and from the hangers on at the camps. IMO the u23s was a direct result of his antics while at home. posting pics with warrior and tellng people he was fit etc then this rant http://www.thisisanfield.com/2016/09/mamadou-sakho-speaks-snapchat-fans-deserve-know-true/ I thik there enough fact sput out there by both sides at this point that i really don't care how he plays at palace.... if klopp bins him he bins him
