The Leicester City "spiral" watch!

It's one thing to assemble a team , it's another trying to get them rowing the same way .

 

Spot on Ginge !

 

I agree, maybe Pearson couldn't have done what Ranieri did with that squad but likewise Ranieri wouldn't have won the league without the squad Pearson assembled so in my eyes, they are both heros for what they did during their time at LCFC

 

It still took Ranieri to play them.

Pearson was playing Vardy on the wing and Leo up front. Alongside Jeff Schlup, Matty James and Richie De Laet were also the favoured sons so Ranieri did change quite a bit.

 

That's not what I said at all. You said some of them were Ranieri signings so I purely corrected that and by assembled I am saying Pearson brought all of them to the club (other than Kante who was on the way but didn't sign until after Pearson once Ranieri was persuaded to sign him). I said Ranieri gets credit for the on the pitch changes he made. He did walk into a winning mentality and confidence squad however but we wouldn't have gone on to win the league with De Laet and Schlupp at fullback.
A bit unfair on James as he was immesnse alongside Cambiasso during the great escape before he got the horrific injury against Southampton. I'm not sure whether Drinkwater would have got his chance in the side so soon if it hadnt been for that. It could have been a James Kante midfield and we'll never know how last season would have panned out if circumstances hadn't played out like they did

 

Pearson or Steve Walsh? ... too simple to give all the credit for team assembly to Nigel I'm afraid. Plus Kante was actually a Ranieri signing too - it's an amusing story that Walshy would keep whispering "Kante" to Ranieri during the pre-season. Ranieri was not convinced at first but Walshy peruaded him to take the risk on the "little guy" in the end.... you've also omitted one very important player ... Demarai Gray ... Ranieri was so impressed with Gray in the pre-season friendly with Birmingham that he penciled him in immediately on the 'wanted' list.

Benny is also starting to look like a very good signing right now too...

 

... Oh and Wilf Ndidi too ...

 

Well yes Walsh but he he is credited with all the Pearson signings really, Pearson's team then. I was referring to the main 11 so to speak as the other poster credited Fuchs and Okazaki to Raneiri which is wrong. Clearly Gray and Ndidi are class, Benny should have been given a chance earlier and Slimani I feel gets too much stick and has more to offer. I was thinking purely of the pre-title winning summer
My only point really is, some people are under the impression Ranieri should get all the credit for last year and give none to Walsh, Shakey, the players etc but refuse to believe he should take any of the flack for this season instead blaming Shakey, the players and even the bloody tea lady and kit man! They won the title together last season and declined together this and as we know, in football the manager always take the blame. We are not the first club to sack their manager after an awful season.
On Pearson, I know you don't like him Fosse but it is unfair to ignore him from the equation completely. I said in an above post, him and Ranieri are heros for me as Pearson laid the foundations with his team of Shakey and Walsh and Raneiri took it to a level we never knew he could. Both deserve credit in different ways

 

I don't dislike Nigel Pearson John - he did a lot of things very well ... but he survived worse 'runs' in both the Championship and the Premier League than Ranieri got the sack for ... and I certainly haven't ignored him completely - for me he put the club on an even keel twice and he recruited very well ... I honeatly don't believe that he could have taken us to the title but that is just my opinion ... Ranieri had more tactical nous for me as his selections from the start of last season and subsequent in game management showed - I would have started with Kramaric and Ulloa against Sunderland in the first game ... he paired two midgets and I feared the worst .... and was proven as wrong as anyone could have been.

 

I didn't necessarily mean Ranieri signed them but he used them in the team which was totally different to pearsons (obviously pearson didn't get to choose them 3).

As for giving the majority of the credit to Ranieri, thats what happens with managers, they get most of the credit and they get more of the blame. I don't think anyone was saying it was the players fault and that Ranieri is blameless. What most people were criticizing was the manner in which he got sacked (after a meeting with the players) having led you to the most successful period of your club and the fact some of them were not putting the effort it.

Ranieri "won" a lot of points with his substitutes last year and he obviously "lost" a lot of points through tinkering this year. To throw away what was pretty much what dreams were made of. Here you had a guy who was always the nearly man underdog, a true gent in the eyes of the audience (some podcasts allude hes different in private) after publicly backing him because he did the impossible, that is what grates on people. No one is exonerating his role.

Shakey doesn't really get the plaudits as how many assistant managers do. Walsh i think gets plenty of credit, the amount of times people were banging on about his cheap signings.

Now we have the opposite, most Leicester fans (minus fossie) are trying to basically remove Ranieris major contribution to the title challenge so that they feel less shamed in having him sacked and try attribute it to pearson, shakey and basically say ranieri didn't even do anything

 

You're right about the runs, I feel he kept the job as he kept the faith of the players which seems to have been Claudio's downfall. I was really sad when he left but the off the field antics got too much. I'd really like Shakey to have a go longer term as I think he has some Pearson and Claudio about him. I do agree he probably wouldn't have achieved the same last year. we'll never know if anyone else could have or not.
I think Raneiri did show more tactic nous last season, not sure about this one. On Kramaric, I noticed he scored the winner for Hoffenheim against Bayern and they're 3rd in the league I think. It's a shame he didn't make it with us, Pearson should have given him more of a chance

 

It did occur to me afterwards you might not have meant signings, I know what you mean now
I can't disagree with anything you have said there, very balanced post. From my point of view as I said to Fosse, my main point is joint credit and joint blame and like you say, manager carries the can when it's blame. I wouldn't ever look to discredit his achievements, I've said many times although I agreed with the decision, I felt it was a sad end to his reign and have mentioned in my last couple of posts that he is a hero. Of course he did a lot, my arguememt is that people seem to be overlooking everyone else involved so it's more giving others recognition too. TBH in the days and weeks after his sacking, I became particularly defensive of the club, players, other staff etc as I was disgusted by the level of hate thrown at the club from the media and other fans. That has at times led to it sounding like I'm anti-Raneiri but it's really not the case. If the hate campaign hadn't been started, I personally would have been a lot quieter about it all

 

Very enjoyable reading here , good stuff .

 

Leicester deducted points! That's changed things.

 

Are you ok? You're talking in gibberish

 

Nothing in the news

 

Exactly, nothing on Sky, BBC or foxes talk. The guy just thinks it's April 1st still. Poor lad'a confused

 

Leicester deducted 15 points for 2014 scandal.

Holy ****!

 

Germans don't do April fools.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/39521424