I whole heartedly agree with this post. I have nothing to add just the message to share. http://rokerreport.sbnation.com/201...a-message-from-a-fan-to-his-fellow-supporters
I don't believe we should avoid the games. We should go supports the team and make it clear we don't accept the way the club has been run as suggested in the article.
Agreed and good read so cheers for posting. I'll still be there next season cheering them on despite whatever may or may not be going on.
So we have deliberately been relegated? What a pile of ****e!! Only thing the daft twat got right was the lescott signing. We can play the victim all we want here and say our club is being deliberately sabotaged or we can grow a pair of balls and realise we support a premiership club soon to be championship and get behind the ****ing team. Could be worse we could support York City.
You say deliberately relegated I say we made no attempt to survive. If you're happy to count your blessings and continue to accept this **** fair enough. I expect the bare minimum which is apparently more than you do
If relegation is seen as the best way to get the club on sound financial footing then it's feasible that Short has tried to engineer it and has informed Moyes of his intentions. After all like it says in the article one of the first things Moyes said to the fans was "we're ****, we're going to be relegated and I can't do a thing about it". There's tempering expectations, this was something else. On the plus side maybe the plan will work, we can build the nucleus of a good side on the cheap, sell the club to someone who five minutes after meeting Moyes thinks "**** this noise", sacks him and gets someone competent in.
This is so true but the game (not just Sunderland) is not the game I fell in love with either its a money driven business with greater emphasis on money in each higher tier of the football pyramid . The love and passion is going but unfortunately as fans we are emotionally hooked to Sunderland (or our team) There was a lot of similar angst when I first started going in the Alan Brown days but there was more passion and effort on the pitch.
Could be right we may be ecstatic by a rejuvenated Moyes leading Sunderland in the premier league in 2018-19 season I hold on to my (blind) positivity even though its ing
spot on this is the modern game where the only passion is money ,any passion shown on the pitch has now almost gone thanks to the cheats and their huge wages.
Fielding a weakened side in cup games is frowned upon by the FA. Obviously match fixing is illegal. If, as seems to be the suggestion, relegation has been deliberately engineered, is that not a similar thing? Having said that, like Nacho says, there is a possibility that this will sort us out.
That's the whole ethos now to keep an even financial balance - unfortunately if you don't play by these new financial rules you become disadvantaged when in pitchside football and that's what it should be all about imo
Structured suicide, for goodness sake. The article is written by a fan, who, let's be honest here, isn't privy to the finances and implications that relegation will have. It just reads like a desperate fan, who is searching for any answer to justify the situation that's unfolding in front of him. "If you're not angry... then I feel sorry for you", why would you feel sorry for somebody who isn't angry? The guy is an absolute clown, he's just showing his desperation and the fact that he's so immersed in the club's misfortune that he's actually thinking that his emotion of anger is some sort of distinct advantage he has over his fellow fans who have chosen not to let it consume them. I read a comment yesterday from RAW, who said he doesn't particularly want Moyes to stay but will still offer his full support as long as he's here. That's a supporter, by definition, accepting that you'll get bad times and good times as a football fan and not turning your back on the club, just because one man at the top has made some monumental errors. There's no sabotage, it's just bad management, from top to bottom and perhaps you'll sort it all out when you go down, and things will be much better, but even then that doesn't mean that it was the plan. It stands to reason that what ever happens, Ellis Short's plan was probably the opposite, he's that ****ing bad at running your club.
Saddened by our plight? Yes. Angered? Not anymore. Sunderlands relegation is comparable to maybe my favourite TV programme being cancelled or my favourite meal at my local restaurant being removed from the menu. Hey ho!
Vote with your feet will hurt short more than everything else. Just have a look at arsenal. Most of the fans want Wenger out but the silly bastards still go. If they stopped going then Wenger will go. All the banners, singing we want Wenger out blah blah means nothing.
I understand where you're coming from mate, but hostility towards the owner won't force him out, it's counter intuitive surely, to make a bad situation worse if you want the chairman to sell the club and **** off. The bigger picture is to show any potential new owner, that the fans are an asset, rather than a problem, just my opinion.
Sorry but I struggle to read things like this when it's from someone who uses the terms Tel mentioned above. I'm angry - yes I am - but I don't expect others to feel the same and I don't pity them if they don't - just means they are more apathetic to it than I am. Tuesday night gone is the first time I can remember me not watching or listening to one of our matches - and also not even remembering that it was on! (Had a stressful day and my insulin pump packed up so I was feeling crap and well distracted by trying to sort that out!) I'll go no matter what -regardless of what this guy says or anyone on here for that matter. I love the club and I will support them through everything - it's my club and has been for a lot longer than it's been Short's or Moyes'
Thing is Baz that Short likes money - and income from gate receipts is very little in a club so not being there" probably won't make any difference - also, fans screaming for a manager or owner to leave will only put off prospective buyers. Show solidarity and support the lads on the field is the best way forward IMO
