Think of it this way we are the first into the life boats, before the ship sinks. Its only a matter of time before France and the Germans jump ship. They know the great EU project has failed and will want to maintain tariff free trading with the UK as its their biggest market. Even if they dont who cares? Its a big old world with lots of other nations to trade with including the US and rest of the Commonwealth.
Look at it this way, they talk about divorce, we (the UK) were never married , we were just a lodger, we paid our way, 2nd biggest contibutors, now we are off, just like the remoaners they will rip us off, just wait and see.. I can't wait to join the rest of the world and be free..
Just summed up a case for a second referendum. Either Hard Brexit V Soft Brexit or even Hard Brexit V No Brexit
I do enjoy watching his videos. He is a pompous, irritating, arrogant tw*t but he says what most people are scared to hear, and while I certainly don't agree with a hell of a lot of the stuff he says, he's very good entertainment and quite admirable in that he seems to give a ****, even if he doesn't go about it in the nicest manner.
There is no case for a second referendum. It would be ridiculous to have referendums on differing aspects of UK EU relations e,g Trade, law, political union, security and on.
I can see the logic in a referendum once we have a final deal, to decide on final deal v staying in. Not that I'd like to see it obviously, but I agree, any other referendum push is ludicrous, and those who pushed for a second referendum as the first was 'unfair' just make themselves look stupid.
I would like to see a whole series of referendums in the UK. One a week on aspects of Government policy I do not like start with trident, then % of GDP spent on care and keep going till I get the results I want.
I know you voted at the last referendum. So you knew the score and have just admitted it above! It was about brexit.. stay or go..Cameron made it very clear No case for a second referendum! Just crybabies who don't like losing. BTW.. you would lose again, you thought you were in the majority last time, The British people can see through these little Liberal tricks. We're not as stupid as you may think!
I know that those wanting hard Brexit from day 1 will not change their opinion. However, what about the leavers who weren't making the noise, the ones who thought on June 23rd that we could keep all our lovely little Eu bonuses, free trade, subsides etc. For many it's now starting to hit home the realities of Brexit and I think all the soft Brexiteers are questioning if they actually want a hard Brexit. This is why there is a case for a second referendum for whether we actually want a hard Brexit. Whether people regret listening to lies, whether reality is starting to kick in for those being screwed over.
What lovely little EU bonuses? Get googling. For many it's now starting to hit home the realities ... What realities? Get your crystal ball out and predict what the future will be. If you can stop wasting time on here and get a job with Mr Lansdown. A big job. You fail to acknowledge that people here have been getting screwed over by the EU for decades. Your post with respect is one of somebody who is being economical with the truth. Britain is leaving the EU because of a democratic decision based upon decades of outcomes and consequences stemming from the EU. You want to screw that democracy over without the populace experiencing outcomes and consequence positive or negative. Your referendum recourse would of course not apply to previous/further EU membership! That is rank hypocrisy.
pardon me, it was made pretty clear on numerous occasions that we would have a clean sheet, after brexit. Any subsidies would be internal and trade with Euro countries would be on the basis of negotiation like the rest of the world . if YOU WANT A CURVED BANANA SO BE IT should we wish limit this that and the other so be it ...There was no smoke or sleight of hand. the BEST confrontational debate was on countryfile ..over a number of weeks Cameron v Boris ... no arguments both were asked the same questions, and both answered with interruption, the other was miles away. Amazingly both on delicate questions to do with after both gave very similar answer's be they positive or negative = make up your own mind time and the country did ... O U T Would I change my mind now no ...was it right? .... time will tell but that is down to us, not a load of unelected dictators in plush luxury, waited on by an army of private helpers...well over paid, so they keep their mouths shut, benefitting the same luxurious surroundings as their unelected benefactors ....
Democracy is also scrutiny from parliament and accountability. Something Brexiteers get up in arms about. As for realities, people are realising that Eu funding is going to dissappear and I don't know about you but as a student I have noticed prices increase in shops. People are realising that what leave were saying doesn't add up and things that they thought would stay the same are being torn apart. And if workers rights, environmental protection, consumer standards and other 'red tape' are holding people back then that's a good thing not a bad thing.
The unrest about the eurocratic unelected, reached the straw that broke the camels back around 1995, about halfway through our membership .. the bent banana .. and since then eurocatic behaviour has gone bananas! it has become a jobsworth of we need to screw something else up or else we will become surplus to requirements no project no job ...after x years it then becomes a partial reverse turn which takes up a couple of years and about 2 tree's worth of paper ... this act then supplies 2 further jobs to be addressed and a couple years negotiation based on 1 meeting a month to see if any progress has been made! ...1) we need more tree's and 2) recycling paper needs guidelines etc etc etc
Yes the EU is freed from democracy, accountability and adhering to the trivialities of populaces deciding their futures for themselves. Well yes people would realise that EU funding would disappear if the UK was not a member. The UK as a net contributor can decide via its electorate where its resource is now spent. As I noted earlier I favour democratic regional governance v a omnipotent super state with an increasing number of states/separate agendas. And if workers rights, environmental protection, consumer standards ... Workers rights is the UK were not protected under the EU, the environmental standards adhered to in Poland (Katowice) make Port Talbot look like a health spa, and consumer standards in the UK are often higher than those in the EU e.g the cosmetics industry. All positives.
Of course it will disappear, it is 13 billion we do not have to shell out simply to support the luxurious life style of the eurocrats and the wasters which are Greece and the mismanaged which are Spain and Italy. Prices will rise at this time of the year, closer suppliers in Europe also get winter, although further south it doesn't restrict supply as much, as diversity kicks in! how do you think we all survived 50 years ago ! we grew crops all year round, those that didn't grow all year round were stored, root veggies apples we were never short of cereals, milk or meat ok bananas and other "exotic" fruit like peach's and apricots were more seasonal, but oranges and the such like were still available for the first item in a stocking at Christmas! I am not saying lets go back 50 when things were rarely wasted ... and that includes pre runners of a lot of " domestically /leisure items" I have basically gone through 4-5 generations from coupons to credit cards.. the under 23's now have it so free and easy with variety and ease they do not appreciate that the so called good will "suddenly stop" Fantastic 50 odd years ago, we had untold rich's about to be coming from oil and gas ...to implement our already wealthy status at that point, then Europe tried on the con to get a federal state .. that has failed dismally thank god, but unfortunately due to a 14 year rule from 1997 to 2010 all our gold and oil money disappeared and we were broke.. but not as Greece etc just a country that whittled away its resources by covering the cracks of a government that bought the the uk public, Bliar was very clever jumped ship before an election and poor old Gordon tasked with trying to hide it all was promoted to the driving seat .. and took the hit whilst Bliar went on world cruises giving speech's on how good he was ............ We are not quite skint, and we will control our destiny and Europe will un pick itself, painfully slow as the EURO UNELECTED bureaucrats delay the fateful day milking it for all they can get .. bit like Nicola WANTING TO BE QUEEN OF SCOTLAND AT ANY COST
Just a point of interest that there are no paper mills in the UK that recycle paper, it is all imported from Europe. Due to the fall in the £ vs $ and € paper prices have increased 10 - 20% this year. One of many increases that will filter through to inflation
There is or was a programme on TV called master mind ... had I gone on it my chosen subject would be paper and board making having been 2/3rds the way up the ladder with qualifications to boot until 1981 when the mill in St Annes shut! Just a point of interest that there are no paper mills in the UK that recycle paper, it is all imported from Europe ... REALLY.... there are at least 20 mills in the uk using recycled material, 50 years ago we had over a 100 mills now less than 50...either small or big nothing in between. a Massive mill in Kent A quote ..... "The UK makes most of its paper from virgin materials… Around half of the 49 UK paper and board mills use recycled paper and board. You can help increase this amount by recycling your waste paper and cardboard." My summing up, may not be totally accurate in quantity but is giving an example ..... the reason we should recycle, for every tonne or so of non recycled paper we have to use to make "new" paper we have to destroy more than the equivalent weight of tree's possibly a factor of 3? maybe more. By not recycling the paper into landfill is a major source of greenhouse gas, so it pays to recyle in the long health of the planet ! Do I recycle all of my paper? no could I recycle more? yes
The opposite applies.. that is why you would lose another referendum! normal people understand the snowflakes are out looking for every little price hike, (some companies are taking advantage of this!) every little blip on stock markets and currency values. It doesn't wash mate.. thats why you lost, and you would lose again.
Sometimes I have to question your intelligence? When was hard and soft Brexit discussed during the referendum. people who voted leave did so on the 'worst scenario' situation. they realised that it was us getting screwed over by the EU.. its a simple fact and you really need to get used to it. or move somewhere in your beloved EU.
