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Discussion in 'Tottenham Hotspur' started by Wandering Yid, Feb 9, 2016.

  1. Well, there's a surprise......
    Trump wiretap claims: White House softens stance on unproven tweets
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39262158

    Alternative truths..... Apparently publicly stating "Just found out that Obama had my 'wires tapped' in Trump Tower just before the victory. Is it legal for a sitting President to be 'wire tapping' a race for president?" should not be interpreted literally in the White House these days!! <laugh>

    It's now so expected that this climbdown didn't make the first 10 items on BBC website this morning!
     
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  2. humanbeingincroydon

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    ...and because things weren't utterly ridiculous already, now we have InfoWars' main sewage outlet Alex Jones challenge Alec Baldwin to a bare-knuckle boxing match because Baldwin keeps making fun of Trump on SNL.

    This is something worth remembering the next six dozen times InfoWars uses the RegressiveLeft hashtag.
     
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  3. Things developing..... enough for plod to get involved at any rate.
    MP Craig Mackinlay quizzed over election expenses
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-39271625
     
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    Police in Scotland have reopened an investigation into the disappearance of an 11 year old girl in 1957, including an extensive search of an area of a canal at great expense, no doubt. Meanwhile, there have been recent instances of people dying on hospital trolleys in corridors because a lack of funding means hospitals can't cope with the demands placed on them. In the former instance, life is paramount and even 60 years later, it is vitally important to find answers about the likely loss of a life. In the latter case, life seems to be expendable - an unfortunate, but acceptable consequence of a political doctrine which dictates that funds can only pay for a certain level of service. Why?
     
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  5. NSIS

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    Because the country is completely ****ed up.

    The last thing it needs right now is this Brexit nonsense, which is going to **** it up even more!...
     
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    With regard to the police case, if the girl was murdered and the perpertrator is still around and considered still to be a threat to young girls, I can understand that the police wanting closure on the case. The perpertrator would be at least in his early 70's but some guys can be dangerous even then. If this is not the reason the police have too much money and should have their budget cut.

    With regard to the NHS, one could keep piling money into it, it is a bottomless pit. However, priorities need to be sorted out. First sort out the drug companies. In India, drug companies were told to reduce prices to reasonable profit margins or be closed down. People said that there would be a mass exodus of companies but this didn't happen. The upshot is that may drugs cost between 5% and 10% of what they used to.

    Secondly, life choices should be put to the back of the queue. Things like gender reassignment, plastic surgery and IVF should not be paid for by the NHS. If people want them they should pay for them themselves.

    Thirdly, cancer treatments are alway cheaper if dealt with quickly. This area needs money redirected from elsewhere/more investment. Such a move would save money in the long term. However, sometimes people are given bad advice. My mother had a opp for bowel cance when she was 74. Up until her death she regretted it. If she had been told that there was a possibility that she would spend 3 years in constant pain, constant bleeding in care she would have avoided it and just slipped away. She was angry that they kept her alive to suffer. They wasted their money. She was in the latter stages of Alzeimers anyway. Every time she was moved I had to contanct the new doctors and say do not resusitate, there does not appear to be a system in place that labels someone 'do not resusitate' and makes it clear so that all can see. She eventually refused food and drugs to end her misery.

    Finally, give people who can afford it tax breaks to take out private medical insurance. I have private medical insurance and it's great. I have BUPA insurance and last year I had a cancer scare. I returned to the UK, saw my GP on the Monday, a specialist on the Tuesday and was operated on on the Thursday. All finished in four days. A private company who have to make a profit recognise the cost savings in giving quick treatment, the NHS need to take this on board. If half the country had private health insurance there would be less strain on the NHS budget and people could be seen sooner.
     
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  7. Donald Trump tax: Leaked 2005 document reveals $38m bill - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39275838

    Call me a cynic, but I would imagine that that these brief details of a year over a decade ago in which Trump paid tax were more likely than not leaked with his knowledge and agreement.
    The pressure should continue to get the remaining years - in detail
     
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  8. humanbeingincroydon

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    Of course, with IndyRef2 on the horizon, how does the average moron respond to this? By saying Nicola Sturgeon looks like Jimmy Krankie.

    Here's something for them to consider: you know that contestant on The Apprentice you get every single year without fail, who gets a whiff of power when they're selected as Project Manager and this leads to them bulldozing through their brilliant idea at the expense of anything their teammates come up with, even though that brilliant idea is utterly terrible while their teammates' idea is actually quite good, which invariably leads to them getting utterly trounced by the other team and the Project Manager getting their marching orders in the boardroom? That's exactly what Theresa May looks like.
     
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    Of course, with IndyRef2 on the horizon, how does the average moron respond to this? By saying Nicola Sturgeon looks like Jimmy Krankie

    ^^^^^^^^^
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  11. Could we have that in English??? <laugh>
     
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    Mary Doll
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    I agree with most of this. I'm a leftist libertarian. I believe government should stay out of matters where it won't help, which are many and include individual freedoms. On the other hand, where it does help, figure out how to make it help as well as possible.

    Thanks to an insane health care system, the US pays 3 times what Japan pays for health care per capita while getting 10 years less per person in life. No HMO (corporate non-profit) offers anywhere near as low a price or offers better coverage than Medicare and Medicare, the government run health care plans. So, let's hang all the HMO executives. No doubt, but that's only part of the problem.

    Like so many other aspects of health care, cancer care is run by the medical establishment. It's in the slash and burn era of treatment, and does a remarkably poor job of prevention. They're spending $200 billion a year in the US on this ****, and you get the level of effort and dedication you'd expect from an organization that can afford half of one administrative assistant, and two project people who are consumed by their side projects.

    Tear it down and start again. Better yet, start with three or four different approaches, and reward results, not procedures. (Guess what, if you pay doctors per procedure, they'll manage a remarkable number of procedures, useful or not).

    In the short term, part of the solution should be cracking down on big pharma and all the other medical industry parasites the way India did. They're fatted ticks on the back of US society. Those ticks are 17% of the society by GNP, in fact, so it's safe to say they're bleeding us white.

    Japan mandates reasonable prices for everything, which results in doctors whose main motivation is helping people.

    But good luck making that happen. The medical establishment has bought all the politicians and the universities in the US with their chump change, and they keep getting richer.
     
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    Let's get this straight...

    Jeremy Corbyn uses all six of his questions at PMQs to attack the Tories over the utter ****ing up of the NHS: the headlines say Corbyn wasted his questions on one issue
    Jremy Corbyn uses one of his questions at PMQs to attack the Tories over their u-turn on the National Insurance hike: the headlines say that Corbyn missed an open goal by only using one of his questions on this issue

    Could the headline writers of the country please share the chart which they use to decide what "doing enough" actually is? Is it two questions or three?

    It also has to be said there's something wrong when a politician not gloating at the dispatch box when their opposite number messes up - a specialty of Cameron and May - is seen as something to be critical of. It really isn't.
     
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    "It would be unfair to the people of Scotland that they would be being asked to make a crucial decision without the information they need to make that decision." - Theresa May, who coincidentally only became PM as a result of the British people being asked to make a crucial decision without the information needed to make that decision, which has since been taken out of their hands by...Theresa May.
     
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  17. littleDinosaurLuke

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    Diet might have something to do with it.
     
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    There are a variety of factors, but US healthcare is horrible value.
    That the Republicans get away with pushing it as some kind of personal choice is ridiculous.
    Introduce a universal healthcare system and people can still choose to spend more if they want to.
    A staggering number of their electorate don't appear to understand this.
     
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    Looks like McDonalds got hacked! <laugh>
     
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    Exactly. If our society had an ounce of collective intelligence, it might do a bunch of studies to see what actually works regarding getting people to have better and more appropriate diets. There would also be a lot less cancer if we quit dumping gazillions of tons of carcinogens into the environment. But a pound of cure costs a lot more than an ounce of prevention, so that's what we go for. It also might realize a couple of decades of celebrating success by any means is why we have an extremely successful sociopath as President. Crap eating and a crap President are the results of a crap education system, which worked far better about 60 years ago.
     
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