We do not. Which is sad. The question is why. Genteel places like Brighton and Bournemouth take more fans away who are stood up being vocal than we do from the rough, tough, salt of the earth working class city of Hull. We should have fans more like those from Boro, Sunderland, Sheffield etc...
You said loads were stood up at Arsenal they weren't. Stood up surrounded by a few people doing the same can give the impression everyone is doing the same. The cameras show the whole picture which is different. Go tell Filey and others who were there and commented about it that they were wrong.
You said they were all sat down at Leicester, which was bollocks. The irony of someone who doesn't go to games, slagging off those who do, can surely not be lost on most on here.
Not sure why it matters but I'm old enough to have been to the last four years at Boothferry. In any case, the sanitised modern experience has hit new levels in more recent years. During our rise up the leagues, even up to the first PL season there was a great atmosphere at home and away games. There's a variety of factors causing it, but it's nowhere near the same now. It's easy to forget that although modern stadia have been around a while, the influx of half scarves and spectating rather than supporting has only really been the last few years. Edit: and of course 'Hull' fans.
Well I was a different age each one of them. 5 when I first started going. Other than the fact it's me and you need to find a problem, I can't see why this would be important.
Arsenal's away support is as bad any. Moaners, mute shirters, Barca-lite mentality. They are used to winning so go v quiet when they don't. Someone put up the video of City v Burnley from 2008 the other day. Look how different the crowd was then. We had E1, E2 and E3 full of loud boisterous fans which necessitated a large group of hi viz jobsworths in front of them. Now it's flat as Fiona Bruce, no stewards needed. The Allams have killed a lot of it, but modern football IS **** (over sanitised, over regulated and much diluted from what it was) and younger people now do seem more passive and less exuberant. As an older ****, I can only apologise for indirectly being part of the cause of this.
The irony of someone who had other priorities, which coincided with our bad times but is here in the good times, pontificating to people who were there in the bad times isn't lost by most on here. I said the crowd shots they did showed our fans sat down. It seems it is all a conspiracy, obviously.
Arsenal's away fans made more noise than ours did. Though when that happens it is another conspiracy. All due to strategically placed mics. The stewards were there because they were ****s, lead by an ex-hoolie who liked acting the big man with the law on his side. There was no need for the over policing and stewarding. Of course the only couple of occasions they were needed, they ****ed up, no away fans collared but City fans banned and in court for spurious reasons. Trouble is, even if the Allams go will the fans we have lost come back? If City are relegated away games will be better, no one there because they want to see the opposition, but if we stay up or come back up then they will be there in numbers again.
I'm sure our fans would be making plenty of noise after many years of reaching the CL QFs and winning at will against the smaller clubs in PL. Why doesn't the ex hoolie position his jobsworths in front of E4 or N5 now? I am well aware of the cowardly bungling of Humberside Police and our stewarding managers. We can't influence people into coming back; all we can do is continue to support. Be the change you want to see, as the old management cliche goes.
I wouldn't bet on us making any more noise because we were doing those things. After a couple of Wembley appearances and a handful of seasons in the PL sone people say that crowds have dropped for those things because the novelty has worn off. At that rate over a hundred years of top flight football would see an empty stadium. Even more there as spectators at the expense of more vociferous ones. The ex-hoolie isn't there now. Someone you know said last time he saw him he had lost a lot of weight, looked as though he was ill and maybe relegated to lesser duties or not there anymore. A different lot doing the stewarding in any case. Not as overbearing as they were in the early days.
Just flicking through the sports channels on Mobdro and some foreign channel is showing our 2-2 draw with Man City from 2008/2009. Ludicrous amount of seats as segregation which could have been sold many times over.
Strange. Someone was saying when we have been to the Emirates the awful, overbearing stewards were making our fans sit down. It is victimisation as they don't make anyone else. Similar tale at Anfield, White Hart Lane...
Fervent support at games oesn't necessarily help of course. Only 700 Real Madrid fans in Naples. But it doesn't seem to have fazed them.
