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Accept it or roll the dice?

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Accept it or roll the dice?

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  1. Jack TheLad

    Jack TheLad Well-Known Member

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    I posted on the MDT about what happens now that we're 6 points adrift with a far inferior goal difference.

    I'm not saying it's the right thing to do since we find ourselves in the same old situation year after year.

    But what do we do? It looks fairly obvious that we're heading in one direction so do we accept relegation, or do we change it (again) and see if someone different can change our fortunes, similar to Swansea etc.

    Would be interesting to see what your thoughts all are.
     
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  2. mackemwelder

    mackemwelder Well-Known Member

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    I've already expressed my views on other threads so I accepted it. 1, It doesn't always work that a new manager comes in and all of a sudden everything is rosy again and 2, who would come to us, who could we realistically attract? We're a sinking ship (not sunk yet tho) our finances are a mess and the squad is even worse.
     
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  3. cumbrianmackem

    cumbrianmackem Well-Known Member

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    Stick with what we've got.
    I'm not a blind Moyes follower but chopping and changing previous managers has left him with a threadbare squad which although one of our poorest just hasn't been able to cope with the glut of injuries we have had.
    I feel if he'd had a level playing field then we would be comfortable in mid table, also Shorts tight purse strings haven't helped.
     
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  4. Nacho

    Nacho Well-Known Member

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    Stick with Moyes and if we go down so be it. The annual manager change is a farce and is getting us nowhere. Moyes has talked about building a team for the long term a few times and I think we should give him a chance to do so.
     
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  5. RTB

    RTB Well-Known Member

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    David Moyes is "the chosen one" Short will not sack him :bandit:

     
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  6. The Norton Cat

    The Norton Cat Well-Known Member

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    Repeating the hiring and firing cycle ad nauseum is unsustainable. Its also getting boring. I think we're going down so we may as well embrace it. It will be a chance to rebuild and most importantly to remodel. The entire club needs to be sorted out from top to bottom and a model similar to Southampton's or Bournemouth's, or perhaps European clubs like Ajax, needs to be installed.
    If by some miracle we stay up, I would allow Moyes the opportunity to build a team but I think it would be delaying the inevitable. When we go down, someone with modern ideas, with guts, with a knowledge of the Championship, and who is not haunted by his past experiences needs to be brought in.
    Relegation has to bring about a rebirth.
     
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  7. Tel (they/them)

    Tel (they/them) Sucky’s Bailiff

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    There was no lack of effort today, imo.

    For that reason, I don't see the benefits of a manager change.

    Perhaps he starts Khazri, that dice maybe worth rolling. Even if it's just a pure gamble.
     
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  8. rooch 3

    rooch 3 Well-Known Member

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    If he does go at the end of the season somebody said on here we should go for Warnock i laughed at first but truth is there is probably nobody out there better than him to get us up again as hard as that might seem.
     
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  9. Burly Hurley

    Burly Hurley Well-Known Member

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    Pearson's probably not a bad shout either.

    He's been there done that!
     
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  10. rooch 3

    rooch 3 Well-Known Member

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    Isn't it just awful to think we are willing to stoop that low, jesus somebody shoot me.
     
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  11. Burly Hurley

    Burly Hurley Well-Known Member

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    Yeh.

    But I think that may be the new reality Rooch.
     
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  12. Nacho

    Nacho Well-Known Member

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    That's the thing, if the players won't try for a manager then as ****ed up as that is you've ultimately got to let the manager go sooner or later, but that's not why we lost today or why we're bottom. It's simply because the players aren't good enough.

    Sacking Moyes would put us further in debt, which is absolutely the last thing the club needs, and wouldn't improve results in my opinion.
     
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  13. The Norton Cat

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    Warnock could probably get us promoted. He would never be anything but a short term option though due to his age and the fact that his record in the top flight isn't great. I also think that he's probably too old school to work in the forward-looking modern way that we need to be operating.
     
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  14. Jack TheLad

    Jack TheLad Well-Known Member

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    For what it's worth, I voted to 'roll the dice' though I don't think it'd be enough this time.

    It's more because I've lost complete faith in Moyes.

    If we're going to blindly accept relegation then I'd like to change it at the end of the season.
     
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  15. The Norton Cat

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    There's no point in sacking Moyes now. But the fact that the players aren't good enough is, to some extent, his fault. I feel sorry for him in some ways because he was never the right fit for the job. Short only saw the 'success on a budget' reputation he gained at Everton.
    There do have to be sweeping changes if we go down though.
     
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  16. Nacho

    Nacho Well-Known Member

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    The main criticism I have of Moyes is his recruitment, not the free transfers which have been sensible and good efforts but the money spent on Ndong and Bod. Ndong is ok but you would have thought that Moyes would have been a bit more clued in about what the squad needed and who to bid for when he joined us.

    I know some believe that those deals were all but done before he joined but he should have held off on them if he didn't rate them.

    He's also not really getting the best out of what he does have and the continuing lack of faith in Khazri pisses me off but I think he's doing alright with what he's got on the whole.
     
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  17. flandersmackem

    flandersmackem Well-Known Member

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    Moyes is the most uninspiring manager we have ever had...however, I don;t see any benefit of sacking the guy now, for me, we are down, so let him see out this season. If Short still wants him to stay.....and if Moyes wants to stay, then see what happens early next season....we simply have to break this annual, "change the manager" cycle,
     
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  18. Disco down under

    Disco down under Well-Known Member

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    Not sure if it's because I've moved to Australis or it's because of how we're doing but I'm at the point where I genuinely don't really care.

    Finding it harder and harder to follow at the moment.
     
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  19. cumbrianmackem

    cumbrianmackem Well-Known Member

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    Flanders,
    Weren't you around in the Howard Wilkinson era, now he really was inspiring...not.
     
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  20. Billy Death

    Billy Death Well-Known Member

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    That came to mind for me also.
     
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