Match Day Thread Manchester United vs Southampton EFL CUP Final Sunday 26/02/2017 Kick-Off 4:30PM

I'm sure I'll see it anyway... not sure I get your point.

This is an opinion I've held for a long time that everyone talks about it without actually saying HOW it will work, as if it's as dead simple as "use a video ref to get the right decisions", whereas it's most certainly not as simple as that. You said the article was more specific, I don't see any specifics in there.

 

As I said, it is more specific than the last piece of news I came up with. That is, there is a bit more detail.

Now, as far as I know, the video ref assistant will simply be a 5th official of equal standard to the on-pitch referee who will have access to better video camera views than the on-pitch ref. Variants of the system are already in use in Rugby, and in American Football. The predicted difficulty in the system has been the speed in which a correct decision can be arrived at. This is some of the reason why Association Football has been slow to adopt it. But, had it been in full operation, as of this season, the record books would have shown that "Southampton FC took the lead in the 2017 EFL Cup Final in the 9th minute, after the on-pitch officials got the decision wrong, but were corrected by the video referee assistant system".

I'm sure in years to come, better systems will be implemented. This system in its present guise, which can't come along too quickly imo, should eliminate most on-pitch errors, in game changing situations. Future systems may improve the human based system or go to an all-digital tracking setup.

 

Rugby & NFL is a poor comparison as both sports have more natural breaks in play than football.

As for Gabbis goal the record books could easily have continued "...this early goal seemed to wake Manchester United up though and they ran out 4-1 winners" ... or the video ref could have considered Bertand as interfering with play due to the stupidity of the rule now and it being so open to interpretation.

"this system in its present guise" This is my point TSS... what system? We don't know how the system is going to work, or even what decisions will be reviewed. How can you say with any certainty that it can't come along too quickly, when you don't know what it is?

You're demonstrating the exact point I'm making about people thinking it will be simple to implement in your final paragraph imo. Do you have any answers/solutions to the questions I've posed?

 

Just to add to that incident where Gabbiadini scored his perfectly good goal last Sunday: when the ball crossed the line, it was considered 'dead'. That is, nothing could be done until the referee signalled that the game could restart. The perfect time for the video referee assistant to signal to the on-pitch official that an incorrect decision had been made. Usually on-pitch officials consult each other anyway. Amazingly, last Sunday, they didn't [not on-script.?]. Now they'll have someone who can butt in and announce that they had a better view.

 

I've got a great idea. Go and look for detail yourself and come back and inform me.

 

That's one incident though, there's plenty where the ball doesn't go dead.

 

Not really helping the debate with this comment TSS

Not going to address any of the points in that post no?

 

Then I guess he won't intervene.!

 

No. I'm just the bloody messenger, so don't blame me. Go and make the effort to find out yourself if you're dissatisfied.

 

Ah, now we're getting somewhere. So in your opinion then, the video ref should only be allowed to intervene when the ball is dead?

If that's the case then it won't 'eliminate most on-pitch errors' then will it?

 

The post you responded in a ****ty way to originally though was asking your opinion on something and addressing your points, you either can't be ****ed to debate, or have no answer beyond "it will work" so are palming me off by being abrupt.

 

Look. Do you have a smartphone.? Do you know how it works.? But it does work.

At the present time I don't give so much as a toss how the details of the system works. If it is effective and does what it says it will do, then that will be good enough for me, for the present time. If, in future, they come up with a better system, then I would hope that they would upgrade to it. The present system of officials being scrutinised to the point where everyone in the stadium knows whether someone has scored or not, bar the officials, because they haven't seen the replay, is not a good situation to carry on with.

 

I'm losing interest because you're aiming your questions at the wrong bloke and at the wrong area.

I came on here merely to inform. Not to encounter the Spanish Inquisition.

 

Hardly comparable or even relevant tbh.

Well I was asking you the questions because you seem certain it will work, so was wondering if you had any idea how to get past some of the problems I've mentioned. You might have said something I hadn't considered to make me re think things. I also countered your point about it being used in rugby/nfl by saying those sports are a lot more stop/start on the whole so is a different ball game entirely than using it in football. (yes that was intentional )

I'm not *totally* against it as a whole. Just worried that people think it will be really simple to implement when it reality it seems to me that there is a lot to think about and I'm yet to see a comprehensive argument on how it will work. Due to that I'm skeptical to say the least.

 

No, it is relevent. A smartphone is a system which you don't necessarily understand but you accept works without knowing the detail of how it works. [Actually you may know. I'm making the huge assumption that you don't, so apologies if you do]

As far as the detail. I don't know. I do know that a properly implemented system that works is required in this day where one slip can cost millions in future earnings. Here is some stuff for you to read. Hopefully you'll get some more of the detail that you're looking for: http://quality.fifa.com/en/var/

 

No it's really not. I may not understand the technology specifically, but I know how to work it, I know how to use different features, and I know the practicality of different features in certain situations/circumstances. Completely different.

As for the link I will have a read later on

 

OK, I'll give you it's not the very best example, but it is still comparable.

 

This whole "football is free-flowing" is crap to start with. I soend a good ten minutes of every match watching players rolling around on the floor holding fake injuries, walking slowly to take a throw-in or arguing with the ref. in my view a decent system, where the ref can ask for rugby style clarification, could even speed things up.

"Dave, did he really get elbowed in the face?"
"No. He is faking. Yellow card."
"Okay you. Get up. Yellow."


Ahhhhhh, the dream! I know the yellow is just fantasy, but would players be deterred from play acting if they knew the ref could get video assistance? Sure would.

 

I really do agree. Let's start with nobody publicly "seeing" anything like a review in cricket or rugby. Start simply. Have a 5th official in a room with a TV screen and a slowmo and rewind button. Have him miked up to the referee.

As Spacedsaint says, he cn quickly look and make a decision and speak to the referee, while players are arguing, pushing, or rolling on the floor. If he can't decide quickly then stick to original decision. Some will still be wrong, but it will reduce the errors and be an improvement. He could even look while the game is in play and a few seconds later the referee can call thugs back for very important decisions.

My guess would be there'd be hardly any impact on game flow.

 

My opinion? Players, managers and fans should man up and accept that the referee's decision is final. Mistakes are made. Move on.

All that will happen is that pundits will move on to "what was the 5th official looking at? When we reviewed it 28 times, we could see that...."

And yes, I'm saying that in the shadow of the decision about our first goal.

Vin