Your outrage is noted and shared by me, proud to be one of the human rights brigade, and a liberal, too - but not a hater of my own country. Our troops are human beings too, and deserve the same rights as the rest of us. I cannot understand why the MoD and the government didn't support our (and their) troops properly when this all started. I'm not sure what happens next. Any idea?
Continued persecution of our brave troops by people who can't even begin to understand the pressures of close-quarter combat? Plus the continued betrayal of those troops once they are home.
You think? Let's hope not. One of the things Mrs May has said that I truly hope she gets the chance to implement is to say "No thanks" when we're asked to send troops to fights that aren't really our business.
I think she's got that message, and the notion that we should fashion other nations in our own likeness. But it is fc uk ing difficult lest we walk away from a Kosovo or Rwanda. And where we fear to tread, the Russian bear may step in
OK so continuing the debate I utterly reject your assertion that the UK hasn't been dictated to, against our will on any kind of level. If you were too young to have voted in 1975 and then had to watch with no voice as EU treaties were pushed through Parliament on a wink and a nod, against your wishes, then I can categorically state you were dictated to. It's quite amusing seeing the sheer number of democrats now wanting all the minutiae in all matters relating to our future relationship with the EU spelled out. Damascene conversions are all very welcome in these matters of course, but the cynic in me has doubts. Why wait until now to start calling for democratic scrutiny and consensus over the EU?
Again Stroller it's your source in support of your argument. If you're that interested I'm sure it's easy enough to find out. I'm not and I've told you why.
OK so has the media you follow had anything to say about David Cameron trying to get a national newspaper editor sacked because he wasn't towing the government line over Brexit? Did they have anything to say about Project Fear? Mark Carney sandwich-boarding the end is nigh? Punishment budgets from our own government? Punishment beatings from our EU partners if we dared to leave? You started this by stating that Britain's democratic image had taken a knock. Did the democratic image of the EU take a knock when it's own president said the following? "There can be no democratic choice against the European treaties".
Spot on. This is Junker (again) talking about the French referendum on Lisbon. "If it's a Yes, we will say 'on we go', and if it's a No we will say 'we continue'." The President of The European Union. In 2005 the French people rejected the Lisbon Treaty by 55%-45%. In 2007 the French government signed the Lisbon Treaty. EU democracy.
I thought he was talking about the EU. I'm very confused. But still is that 8,000+ posts before we hit Godwin? And wtf is a yoghurt knitter?
Ah we get there in the end. So you don't know what you're for but you're absolutely certain you're for it?
Yeah I'm not sure where you're going with this. What has Nigel Farage got to do with the EU and the French government ignoring the will of the French people?
That doesn't work, I'm afraid. I'm saying I'm relaxed about the tiny number of EU laws we have voted against. I don't really need to know the details. You are outraged, but you don't know what by.
If you don't know the details then how could you know whether you should be relaxed or not? I do know I haven't been given a chance to vote for or against anybody who proposes EU law. I know I haven't got a vote to approve or remove them. They haven't asked my permission to frame the laws which shape my life. Until they do, one law is one law too many. You consider this outrage. Some people call it democratic accountability.
Russell Brand is on The Last Leg at the moment. Compulsory viewing for the alt-right community on here.
