Off Topic Jose Mourinho

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marcusblackcat said:
We'll just have to agree to disagree - I don;t believe Moyes has spent anywhere near that - those are the figures reported by the papers - which also reported that we paid £4m for Ji (whereas it was a million and the other 3m were wages he'd be payed over his contract) so those number I always take with a pinch of salt (also the moneys are probably not as simple as spending £35m - the deals may total £35 million but I reckon nowhere near that has actually been spent (and, when you structure a deal, the selling club has to accept the structure - which very few PL clubs do)
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Agreed, Moyes criticism very unfair.
he has none of the defenders from last season, except Kone may be.

he needed decent signings in the winter window, but he was failed.
Still he might keep you lot up.
Fat Sam is overrated. Steve Taylor did more for you lot than Sam - FACT - just ask Rafa.

As far as OP - Jose Sourinho is his new name!!
 
Safc83 said:
We paid 8 million for Djilobodji and 13.6 million for N'Dong. I think that's pretty much out there for everybody to see.

7.5 million for Gibson and Oviedo, the rest went on McNair and Love. Everywhere is reporting pretty much the same figures.
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N'Dong was officially an undisclosed fee although the SAFC website report €16m but don;t say how the deal is structured

As I say, I don't believe he has just spent £35m I reckon less than half of that has been paid already and the rest in structured payments (much like Villa did to us with Darren Bent)

We'll never agree on this as we have our opinions - I won;t try to change yours and you won't change mine but I truly don't think he's spent that amount just because the papers say he has. Papers had us signing Connor Wickham for £12m iirc and the up front payment was £8.1m with add ons which were never fulfilled
 
marcusblackcat said:
N'Dong was officially an undisclosed fee although the SAFC website report €16m but don;t say how the deal is structured

As I say, I don't believe he has just spent £35m I reckon less than half of that has been paid already and the rest in structured payments (much like Villa did to us with Darren Bent)

We'll never agree on this as we have our opinions - I won;t try to change yours and you won't change mine but I truly don't think he's spent that amount just because the papers say he has. Papers had us signing Connor Wickham for £12m iirc and the up front payment was £8.1m with add ons which were never fulfilled
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Thing is Marcus...In my business I buy machinery all the time and we structure some deals in very different ways.....but the bottom line the company is committed to the price regardless of how we "structure" the deal
 
Sanchez Flores is a good shout, although I doubt he'd get much more out of your squad than Moyes is.

Slavica Jokanovic is another one, who I think would be a good option.

You've been down that route before though, promising younger manager, enter Gus Poyet... bigger things at the club need addressed before any manager stands a chance at relative success.

The notion that Allardyce would have made big strides this season, is unfounded but I think he'd have probably done better than Moyes.
 
He is nearly as bad as me hehe, he signs the most expensive player in the world, they get to the league cup final and he is still miserable. Come and manage Sunderland mate and that will cure you.
 
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Tel said:
Sanchez Flores is a good shout, although I doubt he'd get much more out of your squad than Moyes is.

Slavica Jokanovic is another one, who I think would be a good option.

You've been down that route before though, promising younger manager, enter Gus Poyet... bigger things at the club need addressed before any manager stands a chance at relative success.

The notion that Allardyce would have made big strides this season, is unfounded but I think he'd have probably done better than Moyes.
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Aye that Jokanovic got a rough deal from Watford as well iirc.

If we go down and Moyes is sacked I'd absolutely like us to go for someone like that to let them do their own thing. If he doesn't then we have to let him build their own squad etc.

Big strides is all relative though, we'd have happily taken a season where we weren't bottom for 32 games and then managed to just stay up <laugh>
 
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flandersmackem said:
Thing is Marcus...In my business I buy machinery all the time and we structure some deals in very different ways.....but the bottom line the company is committed to the price regardless of how we "structure" the deal
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Do you structure the deal on how successful the piece of machinery is though flanders? That's the difference with football - it may be £13.6m depending upon x y or z for N'Dong We are committed to spending a certain amount pending all clauses - fine, but I don;t think we've spent any where near (up front) the amounts reported - I think the N'Dong amount was only publicised by SAFC to try to say "look, I'm willing to spend my money" by Short who basically isn't willing to spend the money in any lump sum terms - I think we've structured deals and tried to structure deals which were turned down (structuring is, apparently, much easier with foreign clubs - and, seemingly, pushovers like SAFC!)
 
marcusblackcat said:
Do you structure the deal on how successful the piece of machinery is though flanders? That's the difference with football - it may be £13.6m depending upon x y or z for N'Dong We are committed to spending a certain amount pending all clauses - fine, but I don;t think we've spent any where near (up front) the amounts reported - I think the N'Dong amount was only publicised by SAFC to try to say "look, I'm willing to spend my money" by Short who basically isn't willing to spend the money in any lump sum terms - I think we've structured deals and tried to structure deals which were turned down (structuring is, apparently, much easier with foreign clubs - and, seemingly, pushovers like SAFC!)
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But if you're committing to paying the £13.6m you'd surely still have to put that down in the accounts as a liability.

In Flanders case, he buys a machine for say £100k and finances it over a 5 year term, he's only technically paying back £20k in the first year, you still have to account for the other £80k as a liability, even if he sells it after 2/3 years (I know this as I work in the asset finance industry).

Just because we've only paid £1m of it we're still committed to the full amount. I'm not entirely sure how performance based clauses work in this case so can't comment on that, only the initial cash sum over x amount of years.

This is maybe why we're so ****ed in terms of FFP as we owe so much in the accounts for players and the structured deals?
 
If Sunderland go down and Moyes leaves, I'd want us to be all over Gary Rowett. When I watched one of his interviews he seems to be besotted with tactics and how they are constantly evolving. He plays a high pressing game and quick counter attacking football, with the forwards interchanging, pretty much how I would want us to play, if I was given the choice. He was talking about how he likes his players to double up and overload certain areas of the field and he just seemed so focused as to what he wanted to do.
 
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marcusblackcat said:
N'Dong was officially an undisclosed fee although the SAFC website report €16m but don;t say how the deal is structured

As I say, I don't believe he has just spent £35m I reckon less than half of that has been paid already and the rest in structured payments (much like Villa did to us with Darren Bent)

We'll never agree on this as we have our opinions - I won;t try to change yours and you won't change mine but I truly don't think he's spent that amount just because the papers say he has. Papers had us signing Connor Wickham for £12m iirc and the up front payment was £8.1m with add ons which were never fulfilled
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Okay mate :emoticon-0150-hands
 
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Safc83 said:
If Sunderland go down and Moyes leaves, I'd want us to be all over Gary Rowett. When I watched one of his interviews he seems to be besotted with tactics and how they are constantly evolving. He plays a high pressing game and quick counter attacking football, with the forwards interchanging, pretty much how I would want us to play, if I was given the choice. He was talking about how he likes his players to double up and overload certain areas of the field and he just seemed so focused as to what he wanted to do.
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That's another good shout. I was very surprised that Birmingham City got rid of him. In fact, if Moyes was relieved of his duties Rowett would be a good choice even in this division.
 
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The Norton Cat said:
That's another good shout. I was very surprised that Birmingham City got rid of him. In fact, if Moyes was relieved of his duties Rowett would be a good choice even in this division.
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I'm sure they were in the play-offs when Birmingham got rid. It was a strange one at the time and look at them now <doh>
 
Safc83 said:
I'm sure they were in the play-offs when Birmingham got rid. It was a strange one at the time and look at them now <doh>
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3 points off 3rd place at the time apparently. Whats more, he did all that on a much, much tighter budget than ours.
 
Football finances is murkier than Steptoe's bathwater.

It's a very modern thing for a fan of a club to obsess over so much, it's becoming more discussed in certain parts than football itself.
 
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Safc83 said:
Anybody else getting sick of him constantly playing the victim card?

It's becoming tiresome now listening to him cry on with every interview

Manchester United manager Jose Mourinho says he is being judged by different rules to other Premier League bosses.

The Portuguese boss tried to contain his frustration at the performance of referee Mike Jones during Wednesday's 0-0 draw with Hull at Old Trafford.

Mourinho highlighted Liverpool boss Jurgen Klopp's exchange with fourth official Neil Swarbrick during their 1-1 draw with Chelsea on Tuesday.

"You know clearly I am different. The rules for me are different," he said.

Former Chelsea boss Mourinho, who earlier hadwalked out of a BBC TV interview, added: "Yesterday a fourth official told a manager: 'I enjoy very much your passion.' Today, I am told to sit down or I am going to be sent to the stand."

Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger is currently serving a four-match touchline ban after being found guilty of verbally abusing fourth official Anthony Taylor, remaining in the technical area after his dismissal and then making physical contact with Taylor during Arsenal's home win against Burnley last month.

Mourinho has served two touchline bans this season, for speaking about Taylor prior to his side's trip to Liverpool in October and also kicking a water bottle during a home draw with West Ham in November. Both actions are against FA rules.

In addition, Mourinho was given a stadium ban in November 2015 when he was Chelsea boss after he was found guilty of going to referee Jon Moss' dressing room during a stormy London derby at West Ham.

And the United manager's long-time assistant Rui Faria served a six-game stadium ban when he had to be dragged away from referee Mike Dean during a Chelsea game against Sunderland in April 2014.

Mourinho said: "I watch my team from the hotel. I was forbidden to go to the stadium. My assistant had six matches stadium ban. I didn't touch anyone."

The Portuguese manager added of Hull: "I don't criticise my opponent. They are fighting for their lives. Every point for them is gold. They have to fight with everything they have. They tried to see what they were allowed to do."

Mourinho told reporters at the post-match press conference: "Tell the truth. It is as simple as that. You will be doing a public service, I think. If I speak I am punished. I don't want to be punished."

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38836249
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Nothing to add as I have already been there,he's not for me at all ,he is bad for the sport imo
 
StanDMan said:
Agreed, Moyes criticism very unfair.
he has none of the defenders from last season, except Kone may be.

he needed decent signings in the winter window, but he was failed.
Still he might keep you lot up.
Fat Sam is overrated. Steve Taylor did more for you lot than Sam - FACT - just ask Rafa.

As far as OP - Jose Sourinho is his new name!!
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WTF <laugh>
 
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