A while back brb. You said that people who leave their country to live in another one should lose their rights in their home country. So, according to that analysis, all of the 3 million, or so, EU immigrants in the UK. should also lose rights in their homeland - do they gain those same rights in the country they have gone to ? If not then you are arguing that they should be without those rights altogether. So, it seems you are suggesting that all people should stay put ie. stay in their own country. The whole of history has been one of movement brb. Where do the 'English' come from ? Where do the Americans come from ? (I mean apart from the Native Indian ones). Or the Australians - surely the only ones with a 'right' there are the Aborigines. Do people not have a right to be where they want to be ? The 5 million or so EU. migrants ( both into, and from Britain) are the real human story behind Brexit - as a result their legal status has become uncertain. Can anyone really suggest that we see some kind of enforced repatriation - something like the movement of people seen during the partition of India ?
There could be a very long wait for Scottish independence. Scotland, like all other areas of the UK will comply to the wishes of the people and accept the UK will leave the EU. The Scottish people have clearly expressed their wishes to not have another referendum on independence before we leave the EU. Sturgeon obviously accepts this but is trying grab as much of the repatriated powers from Brussels. EU officials have made it clear if Scotland left the UK after Brexit it would be at the back of the queue, behind Turkey, to join the EU. I'm afraid we will be subsidising the Scots for ages whilst they carry on whinging about the unfairness of it all.
It is a pity Merkel wants to see the migrants used as a political football. She could have done the decent thing and taken up Theresa May's sensible offer.
You seem to have a thing for Angela Merkel SH. Merkel is not the EU. and is in no position to negotiate any deal on behalf of it. In theory she could could come to an arrangement but that would be valid only for Germany. Actually, once Britain is out of the EU. it could, in theory, negotiate free movement with individual EU. states. The EU. does not forbid its members from unilateral arrangements of this type with non EU. members - the EU. does not regulate, for example, movement between the UK. and India.
I don't think anybody could deny that currently Merkel is the most powerful politician in the EU. If she was keen to secure the migrants future it would have been possible to convince others. She was determined to use them as pawns insisting no negotiations before article 50 was invoked. She could have done the decent thing.
Merkel may know that migrants rights are already protected by the so called 'acquired rights' guaranteed in the Vienna Convention (which is external to both the EU. and the UK) and would, therefore, not need to be negotiated.
To be honest I'm not sure on that one - the term 'acquired rights' does probably imply that they increase according to time of residence. A deal will be made relatively quickly on this because,in the event of repatriation, the East European population in the UK. would not relocate to their homelands but rather to other West European states. There is no country which wants thousands, or millions, of their own nationals returning at one time - all disgruntled and all with voting rights.
I've already said my vote had nothing to do with migrants, but if pushed on an issue I will give the answers to which you have now responded. Let's keep this simple for you, when many hundreds of new jobs were created for my area, it was promised as part of the planning agreement that it would be local jobs for local people, with it came new infrastructure and housing. Problem was European migrants moved into the new areas and took the local jobs for local people. Now you might say that is fair but the part of the story i have missed so far, is the jobs in fact were advertised abroad and currently residing local people were not employed and you wonder why we get pissed off! So we commute out of the area why the migrants talk a different language in their new found employment - doing the jobs we were meant to be doing, but i suppose you would consider that fair. True story that.
These migrants taking peoples jobs rhetoric in the UK is a complete myth. Bizarrely the most pro-BREXIT areas had their economic issues and often lots of migrant workers doing the jobs no one else wanted to do (e.g Lincolnshire) If you took away migrant workers NHS, Social services, Agriculture Education, 24 hour retail sectors would collapse... and then the underclass of a million or two permanently unemployed would really be exposed.
There are many examples of low paid low skill jobs only being advertised abroad. One of the main reasons for Brexit is for the UK to control the number and particular skills required. Nobody is 'taking away' migrant workers, especially in the NHS. The present level of immigration of 500,000 + each year is unsustainable.
1) Advertised abroad because they cant be filled in the UK. 2) Immigration contributes to the economy so economically sustainable. Govt has to pay for increasing social infrastructural provision of increasing numbers regardless of where the people come from. Just about every economic commentator says immigration is a nett gain to the economy after costs 3) People will come to the jobs that fit their skills This a completely dud null and void argument. Why don't people just come out and say they don't like people who are different to them because they are frightened etc etc.
It is not only low skilled jobs. My wife is looking to join a large "British" company and cannot find a way in at all - and it's not for want of educational qualifications (she has a good degree) or experience. It's because the vacancies, and I know they exist, are not advertised in the UK. The company can employ much more cheaply if they source their labour in eastern Europe. Don't get me wrong the people that come are very capable, but the company is choking off local access to all their vacant roles. This whole thing started as a necessity for the company as it had sucked the UK market dry and needed to augment their workforce, but now it is de rigeur to go abroad. That said they do have a massive graduate program, but that doesn't seem to work as the youngsters come into the company with lots of educational knowledge, nothing practical and an appalling attitude; where a 30 year working career with an apprenticeship counts for nought and a book of notes an a wipe-clean certificate is everything. These degree wielding juniors then need a minimum of one year to get them thinking in a work suitable manner. And don't even get me stated on the HR department.
You are unreal, I gave you a true example above. The jobs available people wanted and could not get, it was not through the want of trying, the company came in and clearly wanted migrant workers, low paid, long hours maybe, undermining British financial ability to do the jobs but not for the want of local, able and hard working people still applying and being turned down. The jobs were advertised abroad despite promises of local jobs for local people - this was and is not a myth it is a known fact locally. FFS if you are going to argue the toss at least be prepared to read what has been wrote or are you here just for the reaction rather than debate.
I'm outta here, can't be asked to debate with people that make stuff up or don't want to actually enter into debate about stuff that has actually been wrote rather than reply with bullshit....myths
This has always happened, with or without the EU. The first Irish migrants were brought to the UK. by Mill owners, for the purposes of strike breaking. The first Jamaican migrants were brought over by agents working for London Transport. This type of immigration has always been a tool for suppressing wages, and conditions, and for dividing the working class along ethnic lines. The way forward is not to attack immigration - but through better controls of those agencies themselves. The reason why many people come to Britain is because they think that the chances of picking up casual, semi legal, cash in hand jobs are higher there - and that is really the case in Britain. If Britain is becoming a bargain basement economy then look for the causes behind that, rather than blaming immigration itself. If the EU. did not exist, then those agencies would be attracting workers from somewhere else.
The best way of controlling immigration is Brexit. The UK needs to take back control of its borders so it can decide the quantity and skills required to suit our country. Most countries in the world enjoy this basic right, hopefully ours will be restored in a couple of years.
