i'll tell you why he's capping the salary at 15k now , it's because if we manage a miracle & get promotion to the premier league he can them double the salary , it will look & sound good but still be cheap ............ i tell you he's playing games with the club, the players, fans, agents everybody , why ....... because he can & he thinks it is big & it is funny !!!!!
yes still cheap by premiership standards ......... even if we manged to get promotion we probably still wont be able to sign players , we still wont pay the going rate !!! we cant match Ipswich, Forest , Leicester ETC & they are not on parachute payments so how can we compete with West Ham , Blackpool, The bottom premier clubs , Hell even dave whelan has made the Total N'zogbia transfer funds available to Martinez not like our illustrious Leader sells for million & wont even sanction a free agent !!! huh say's it all !!! Oh and another thing , now that snoddy scored for Scotland i bet the first thing in bates's mind was .....Hmmmmm now an international goal scorer that should up his valuation !!!! better get ready to SELL !!
We don't want to be an average Championship team. When you have an lower mid-table salary cap, it's obvious where you're likely to end up.
**** off anyone who agrees the wages at Elland Road are okay and players should be willing to play for that amount. Truth is they aren't, there are none around to sign, Grayson has been left to scrape the barrel and when he finds one after 4 weeks on trial Bates says we can't afford him. We don't even pay a ****ing transfer fee, we pocket over a million profit from Kasper and we still can't afford half decent wages. If we don't get Bates out asap don't expect the likes of Snodgrass, Gradel, Howson, Becchio, Clayon and Nunez to accept new contracts to anywhere near their value. Bates is SCUM
No player's worth that much, but that's below average for a Premiership-standard player and Gradel is a Premiership-standard player. If we could get him on a four-year contract on that wage, it's a very wise investment which would save us money in the long-term when you think about how much players will be demanding if we actually do get promoted. I reckon he could be knocked down to 17-20k anyway if the club actually engaged him.
it's not a matter of wether you,me,KB, or the agent thinks or says what a player is worth , it's what someone else is willing to pay for the player , even if KB was as rich as the Man city owner, he still would'nt splash the cash because that's who he is , but you would probably find that his ego & boardroom games would be much much bigger & more complicated .......... we all know people with the same ego type as KB the ones who have to win the point for their ego . Whatever Job / Position you hold, you will only move if the benefits are better, which usually means a higher salary, etc ........ now you go to an interview & the diuscussion gets around to money and what is offered to you is so far less than has been offered by others or what you are currently earning WHAT WOULD YOU SAY TO KB ???????????????????
Exactly, get him sat down, get an offer on the table and chip away to somewhere near 20k a week over 4 years. If after a season maybe two seasons we are no nearer to promotion then we sell him for quite a few million. Instead he could walk at the end of the season, some team snaps him up and they have a what? £4 million player for free? £20k a week is just over a million so basically they can give him his £20k a week and it equates to what a transfer fee would have been so in effect he is playing for nothing. Gradel said the club hasn't approached him, so this figure of £25k a week isn't fact is it? If it is so what, you still engage in an adult meeting to discuss a contract offer. What is this doing to team moral, Grayson knows Gradel will be able to walk at the end of the season and he knows the money pot has been emptied by greedy bates. Other players look at the situation and they think what? I am sure they add the Kasper situation and how it was handled and they surely must feel so valued playing for such a great team and chairman???? They then look at the clubs signings (lack of) and think hey this club is going places, it has so much ambition NOT
Its not just Leeds though is it. Do you think Boro want to lose their captain Matthew Bates? One year left on his contract & if he doesn't sign a new one they'll sell him for next to nothing. Their owner/chairman Steve Gibson,having backed the club to the tune of millions is powerless to stop him running down his contract,& if Gibson can't do anything what chance Bates? Also if we have a ceiling of £15k pw that's top end Championship wages,excluding the clubs who can offer artificially inflated wages due to parachute payments. We're paying slightly above the going rate compared to other clubs who have been operating outside of the PL for a few years. A lot of this stuff about Bates is based on hearsay & supposition,& some of the comments are bordering on paranoia.
yep i agree, most things about bates is based on hearsay and if anyone says that gradel is worth 20k a week they need to look at the player. Sorry Leeds-18 he is not a premiership quality player, how many times has he played in PL. The fact is he is a championship player and i know for a fact the average wage in the championship is 7-8k a week. Why is he worth more than double that? the average wage in PL i think you'll find is 25k a week and that is only brought up by the likes of wayne rooney on 250k a week. We pay the right amounts for players, would you like us to sign some dickhead pre-maradona that thinks hes better than jesus and pay him a ridiculous amount or continue to bring through the likes of howson, snodgrass, gradel, kisnorbo, nunez, clayton, now even lees and so on. we get these players on the cheap and then they become some of the best players in the league. The fact is the way we operate is good and i've said it before and i'll say it again, Leeds fans need something to moan about and when it comes to moaning bates is the flavour of the month.
He's never played in the Premiership. Then again, neither have players from the top-level European divisions which are comfortably below Championship standard. If a player like Gradel scored 18 goals in the Dutch league or the Russian league or the Portuguese league, there'd be immediate Premiership interest and few would doubt they were a Premiership-quality player. He's a Championship player of Premiership quality. I'd like to see your evidence for that 7-8k figure, because I'm sure it's risen sharply since whenever you found that out. Why should we pay twice that? Because if we lose Gradel, we won't get anyone of sufficient quality in to replace him. We struck lucky with him - he's one of the few decent signings Grayson's managed to wrangle out of the 'spend **** all' policy. He's publicly said how much he wants to stay at Leeds and we could easily knock him down - think of how much Forest will be paying their top players, Leicester theirs, West Ham theirs, Ipswich theirs, Cardiff theirs, Middlesbrough theirs, Reading theirs. I could go on. It's unfortunate that football has come to this, but that's a matter for the footballing authorities to pursue and Bates' selfish stance on the matter will get him, the club and the fans nowhere whatsoever. It's time to start indulging these greedy players and agents or we'll get left behind even further. We aren't signing 'dickhead prima donnas', and when we have (early Gradel, Kandol, Beckford at times), Grayson has managed them well. Our competitors also aren't buying those players and that's a line straight out of the Bates book of bullshit propaganda. You pay money for players with transfer fees and wages if you want to compete. That doesn't somehow intrinsically mean you're after players who'll be a nightmare in the dressing room, does it? We've brought reasonable results out of the policy so far, though it's definitely held us back at vital times, but now we're looking to get promoted out of the Championship, the precedent is that we need to spent at least 4m based on last year's play-off finishers. 2m at the bare, bare minimum. The players we've brought through need to be complemented with leadership, experience and defensive solidity, and that doesn't come cheap. Goals win games, defences win leagues. Leeds fans don't need something to moan about. Did we moan in the Revie days? Did we moan under Wilko when doing well? Did we moan under O'Leary when things looked rosy? We moan when we're doing **** because we deserve so, so much more. We follow our team all over the country in more numbers than Man U, Liverpool and Arsenal. We pay the unfairest prices in football. We get thoroughly shat on and expressing our discontent isn't some passing phase which we flippantly hold just because we're dour Yorkshiremen. It's because this football club has hit an all-time low and Ken Bates is doing an awful job of guiding us back to our rightful home of the Premier League. Until we start paying properly for players, we risk staying down for a very, very long time unless Grayson continues to produce what seems unproduceable. PS: it's prima donna, not pre-Maradona... Bates Out.
Totally agree Josh. It wasn't that long ago we were signing the likes of Gregan,Ricketts,Showumni,Butler & other dross I'd rather not remember,but even that was better than having no club to support at all. People seem to forget how close Leeds United were to going out of business,all these so-called millionaire fans wanting to buy the club with their empty promises of wiping out the debts,money for transfer budget etc. When push came to shove they were nowhere to be seen. This club has come a long way under Bates,when you compare where we were when he took over both on & off the pitch. The calibre of squad we have is 100% better. its moving in the right direction albeit slower than most of us would like,but Bates is running a steady ship,living within our means & a decent squad on above average wages for a club that's spent years in the wilderness as a result of Ridsdale's self-indulgent'financially destructive ego trip.
After all the **** we've been through with administration and relegation you would have though we'd have learnt our lesson. But there are still people out there who want us to break the bank and pay extortionate wages to some quite average players. I for one don't want to end up in the same state we were a few years ago. Let's forget about Leicester and the likes, leave them in their little bubbles, sit back and watch them burst.
Thing is, Leicester aren't breaking the bank because their bank is huge. Again, I could list all the other clubs I have and more, all of whom have spent more than us depsite having lower turnovers and being smaller clubs. It's not on that we're forced to endure little to no transfer spending when it almost guarantees mediocrity. We can spend more than we are now without 'breaking the bank' or risking any kind of financial trouble whatsoever. It's not like we're Peterborough or Doncaster and we're calling for top-end Championship players, is it? It's not like we're calling for money to be spent without being there in the first place, a la Ridsdale. We just expect what you'd have thought would be available to us in the first place if we were run by a sane man. Our bubble would not burst if we invested the money we all know we've put into the club and actually put that into the playing side rather than the property side no-one cares about. You know what? It might even take us to the Premiership and get us the biggest payday we've ever known. Being a football fan, I'll look at where Bates has taken us on the pitch, as Essex requests. He's taken us BACKWARDS. We got relegated. The lowest point in our proud history. It's been six years and we've made no progress whatsoever on the field, and that's all that fans should have to care about in football in an ideal world. Off the pitch, I won't dispute that the financial state of the club is better but he's fudged on promises about Elland Road and Thorp Arch, humiliatingly scrambling around to the Council when it's clear that the Delph funds could have rebought our training ground. Fact: 99% of other football chairmen would have done a better job. Would have invested more than the pathetic 500k Bates has put in during the entirety of his time at the helm of Leeds since 2005. The other 1% is Peter Ridsdale, and he'd probably still have learnt from his mistakes. I can't think of anyone worse in the English game to run my football club who'd be passed as a fit and proper person.
