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  1. brb

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    I personally don't form judgements through media, I try to stick to facts....a simple fact is 63 Million people voted for him, now you can pick at numbers depending on your political take but the numbers remain the same. Keeping it simple, media will always report the negative in football ie violence, they will never report the outweighing positives because it either creates boring news or has a political slant on it, just ask Thatcher and Blair about that one.
     
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    Good to see you brb.<ok>

    Just looking at the TV pictures, they have showed protests. Bias? Not really because if they hadn't shown them that would have been bias the other way. It seems that the 63 million who voted for him wanted him more than Clinton, but I doubt that there was any common reason if there was any way of checking. Many would have voted for him to keep her out, others thought he offered a better life. The let's make the US great again would have resonated with others who think that the country is slipping behind. Lots of different thoughts, but we will never know.
     
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    Nice bit of lateral thinking...

    spot on.jpg
     
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    Very clever.. :)

     
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    There is supposed to be a video in there - haven't a clue what's happened to it..
     
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  6. brb

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    Mostly agree. I think it is very much the same as Brexit, which i voted for by the way, but like the Americans, I was not voting for Farage or Boris i was voting for my own political reasons, and funny enough that was nothing to do with immigration. However, there comes a time when people say enough is enough, powerful people including all corrupt politicians and let's face it most of them are corrupt in one form or another, that it's time they took a hike. Trump used unsavoury words that I for one moment do not support, however, he also gave Americans a voice, much the same as Farage gave British people the voice, and that was f off EU, not Europe but the state of affairs that was trying to govern us. A serious lesson in politics has been learned since last June around the word, the people have spoken and it is time for change.
     
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  7. yorkshirehornet

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    brb .................

    I live to see if DT is the man for that change or an idiosyncratic egotist, like I believe Farage to be.

    My heroes are more like Gandhi, Martin Luther King or Mandela .. all of whom espoused peace and reconciliation.. (and two got shot for it... )
     
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    A measure of the man - makes public statements like this about Senator Schumer, a man many of whose ancestors were wiped out in the Holocaust. One of Trump's own ancestors was arrested at a KKK rally.

     
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  9. brb

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    True, like I say I would never defend Trump or Farage, only the principle of the democratic vote outcome. Too many people feed on negativity, saw it after Brexit and seeing it now. As John Lennon would say 'Power to the People' - by the way I've been to Lorraine Motel and the National Civil Rights Museum, I've also seen the sad destructive instrument called the Enola Gay...thought provoking moments <ok>
     
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    I would never trust democratic decisions or referendums until the press starts to actually play a responsible role in society by printing facts and truth. As Boris Johnson said 'Never let the facts interfere with a good story', as long as that is the credo of most journalists you will never have democracy.
     
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    Perhaps they are the facts and truth that some people find hard to accept. The Uk is quite balanced media wise, there are several left wing publications and of course there is the leftie BBC. Newsnight is particularly careful to ensure it choosing presenters with a left bias.
     
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    Most of the print media is Tory owned
    Most of the media, left right or middle, is biased and non-objective as Cologne has said.
    The head of the BBC trust is an out and out Tory...and as i have said elsewhere recently Laura Kuensberg is a Tory who was found to have created fake news about Corbyn and Robinson, who recently stepped down as political editors is also a Tory voter. The BBC was very active in its negative publicity about Corbyn. Mind you it has done the same with Brexit. Very hard for it to be balanced.
     
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    Remembering that this thread is for satire:

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    So how do you explain Blair getting into bed with Murdoch or was that his wife?
     
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    But hasn't that always created history for the human race.
     
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    It just appears when a vote does not go a particular way, it becomes a field day for negative emotions and stories. Let's search the internet and see what other bad things the elected have done...the social media snowball of frenzy.
     
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    Regarding the media. Is there any other European country where newspapers explicitly tell their readers which way to vote ? In Germany certainly not, but I'm not sure about others - in Britain it happens regularly. Regarding 'democracy', I am not obliged to accept the Brexit result because I was not asked for my opinion on it.........despite this I am very much effected by the result, along with several million British Passport holders living overseas. Our legal status could change overnight as a result, through no fault of our own - this being because we were disenfranchised and could not influence the result (Britain is the only country which does this with ex pats).
     
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    Without appearing rude, I have a simple take on that...you choose to live abroad, much the same if i lived abroad it's called tough. People's self interests abroad are no concern of mine. I have no interest in Europe either, if they wish to be our friends that's fine by me, but as for governing us, i accept the one vote we put every four years, that is enough for me, even if it goes against my vote, as for any other democratic state, I am not part of it. Cameron gave us the vote as agreed in his manifesto, then did a runner, he is a coward and waste of space, and nothing more than a money grabbing pig.
     
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    We are fed up in England of getting trodden on, if people don't like out country, do one, if people choose to live abroad fair enough, but as for your rights as soon has you cross the channel you live by the rules of that country and lose your rights back in the UK, except in the need of help and assistance to repatriate.
     
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